Who ARE these people?

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Brian Manzella

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I posted this on "another forum" in another country...

The question was who are the following people?

My answer:

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Ben Doyle - First Authorized Instructor of The Golfing Machine. Took TGM Author Homer Kelley's "framework" from the book, an developed a method for teaching what he calls a "Maximum Participation Pattern" to all levels of golfers. The results Ben gets with students willing to commit to a full overhaul are second to none. Ben is the most studied and copied teacher in golf, with nearly every famous teacher in the world owning his videos, mats or having worked with him in person. He is not a great public speaker, talks very low, and will not bend to the wind of pop-instruction. He is feared by some, hidden by others, knocked by competitors, and loved by long-time students.

Gregg McHatton - One of Ben's first direct protégés who made good. Gregg spoke at two of the first three PGA Teaching and Coaching Summits, was responsible for the development and (or) education of several teachers of note, such as Jim Petralia, Mike Hebron and Haney Haney among dozens of others. In recent years he has traveled less, and networked even less, and is just one of many hidden geniuses of modern golf instruction that doesn't fit into the cookie cutter golf media clone image. Teaches a similar very dynamic version of Ben Doyle's pattern and has done research that was years ahead of the pack, including work with Gideon Arial of Olympic training fame.

Tom Ness/Chuck Cook/Martin Hall - Three guys who are on every top teacher list in the USA. All of whom started following much more famous teachers than Ben Doyle, but became huge followers of Ben, with Tom Ness being the most "Ben-like" of the group, followed by Chuck, and then Martin who has worked with other TGMers as well. All have worked with Tour winners, and in the USA are very big names, and have been on The Golf Channel, and in the magazines too many times as a group to even count.

Michael Jacobs - A former junior golfer in Mike Hebron's junior program, who studied with Ben Doyle and is a close associate of Rick Nielsen, another New York-area prominent instructor. Very accomplished for his age, Mike nearly bought the rights to The Golfing Machine company, but continues to teach and gain status on Long Island. Is good friends with Brian Manzella, who he will be doing a school with in Long Island this year. The youngest G.S.E.D. (highest level instructor in The Golfing Machine system) ever.

Bobby Schaffer - Protégé of both Gregg McHatton and Ben Doyle. Very accomplished player, who played on several US Tours as well as in other countries. Very long hitter for his size and excellent swinger of the club. On the top 10 of any list of "Best Swing By an Instructor." Has done numerous videos, does many corporate outings in the California area, and is still a relatively young man.

Steve Khatib - Protégé of Ben Doyle, Gregg McHatton, and Bobby Schaffer (hence: "The Tree"). Very similar to Ben in swing model, but with a few modern touches and nods to the everyday player. Very bright man who studies the swing from many sources and is a fixture at PGA Summits, where is rooms with his great pals Ben Doyle, Brian Manzella and often Mike Finney.

Brian Manzella - Protégé of Ben Doyle who came to Ben as "The most knowledgeable teacher on The Golfing Machine who had never worked with an Authorized Instructor" according to Ben. In the 20 years since Brian has learned from Ben, he has worked with several PGA Tour players, but mostly with Ryder Cupper David Toms, who Manzella taught to the Tour from college and then on the tour full-time and for the last 10 years on a part-time basis. An independent thinker, who teaches multiple patterns in multiple ways to golfers in his bases of Louisville, Kentucky, his home of New Orleans, Louisiana and from all over the USA and the world who come to his schools and lesson tee. Besides Ben Doyle, is the only teacher on earth that has attended every PGA Summit, every MIT Summit, and every TGM Summit. Operates a large golf website and produces very well-received videos.

Mike Finney/Tom Bartlett - Two long time students of both Ben Doyle and Brian Manzella who are both accomplished players and teachers in their own right. Mike was the #9 ranked Junior golfer in the USA and played on LSU's #1 ranked college golf team. Tom played on several US Tours and was competed in several long-drive competitions. Mike is a PGA Member and both he and Tom, are Authorized TGM Instructors, and work for the Brian Manzella Golf Academy. Mike has one of the finest swings in all of golf, and Tom is one of the best ball-strikers alive under 40 not playing on any Tour.
 
Which was the forum? and which country? I would imagine not many on there even have any knowledge of TGM even though they may recognise the names of the teachers.
 

Steve Khatib

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Seriously Brian,

I am an Australian and I only post on Manzella forum.

What does that say- well this the best, And yes the expert is always from outside of their own area and professional jealousy is big in Australia.

Be careful the switter(switting is big in Australia) types will tear you down on that forum and most of them are too unarmed to even know who all of the expert AI'S were that you mentioned. These guys live in a bubble(bent plane line) and dont know.
The main offender is a member on this forum 'cjgolf'. 'oz trainee' kind of sits on the fence but is really aligned with them and Peter Croker.
CJ GOLF QUOTE:
Nice attitude Brian. I was speaking with Paul Hart last night in fact and he said he thinks highly of your teaching ability from what he has seen/heard.

FYI - I will be showing him the video clips I have from you next week.
http://www.iseekgolf.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=17823&st=0
QUOTE CJGOLF:
I know of pretty much all of the people named so far.

Based on an admittedly short viewing of him teaching plus heaps of feedback from others who I know that know Steve Khatib well I would suggest you look at others before going with Steve.
In Melbourne....
QUOTE: OZ TRAINEE
you will be lucky to get Bryan....I think, to see him, just book an appointment through Albert Park driving range.....Bryan is great.. this gadget man carry 4 video cameras with him.

Having said that Steve Khatib is a good teacher too, if you want to join the BEN DOYLE's tree.. Seeing Steve will be the best choice.. (Ivanhole)... Steve is a gadget man too... virually all the traning tools you can think of.

I would say that those are the pros I know, not doing the lesson for money...they do it because they love teaching, and they love helping people with a better swing.
 
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