Who's on plane here?

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WVSooner

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I was reading this article about Nick Faldo/Nick Dougherty - Shape of things to come - Nick Faldo / Nick Dougherty

I states that at the half way back position the butt end of the club should point between the ball and feet .
[media]http://www.golftoday.co.uk/proshop/features/1999/images/shape_of_things_to_come_3.jpg[/media]

Compare that with Hogan. His club points almost directly at the target line (it is slightly just inside it). [media]http://www.rotaryswing.com/golf-instruction/Ben_Hogan/images/Hogan_Quinton_9oclock.jpg[/media]

But the real difference is where the club intersects the upper body. With Faldo, the club intersects the right shoulder, missing the upper arm completely, on the high side. With Hogan it intersects the elbow, missing the upper arm on the low side.

Is someone off plane? What is the difference because I have no idea.

Thanks for the help. In search of a backswing, WVSooner. :eek:
 
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i think you may need to take into consideration of individual differences in heights (relative to club length) and also spine angle at address, when comparing person to person. further, hogan is known to be close to what we call a 1-plane swinger. if i have to make a guess, the red shirt player looks more like a 2-plane person. on that, if i may, i have this question:

assuming not many people will try to emulate moe norman on his 1-plane swing (at least at one time), and that others will swing one form or another of 2-plane, i would like to know the merits or issues with 2-planes that are higher vs lower. is it really determined by the player's natural plane? correct me if i am wrong, but these day i don't see people trying to swing like jack nicklaus. how come?

further, i think from L to the top, a lot of things can happen, in terms of how the planes develop.
 
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lookingtolearn

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WVSooner said:
I was reading this article about Nick Faldo/Nick Dougherty - Shape of things to come - Nick Faldo / Nick Dougherty

I states that at the half way back position the butt end of the club should point between the ball and feet .
[media]http://www.golftoday.co.uk/proshop/features/1999/images/shape_of_things_to_come_3.jpg[/media]

Compare that with Hogan. His club points almost directly at the target line (it is slightly just inside it). [media]http://www.rotaryswing.com/golf-instruction/Ben_Hogan/images/Hogan_Quinton_9oclock.jpg[/media]

But the real difference is where the club intersects the upper body. With Faldo, the club intersects the right shoulder, missing the upper arm completely, on the high side. With Hogan it intersects the elbow, missing the upper arm on the low side.

Is someone off plane? What is the difference because I have no idea.

Thanks for the help. In search of a backswing, WVSooner. :eek:
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Hogan is more "on plane." However, you don't have to be on plane at that point in the swing, and many people shouldn't try to be.

The hands are also deeper in the bottom photos, making the club intersect the body at a lower point than the top photo.
 
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dbl

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Leadbetter taught to have the clubshaft like Dougherty and Faldo have it. In the downswing there was then a huge flattening to get on plane, after some hip slide and tilit. There are a million kinds of backswing (look at SD and NHA) so I'm not sure any particular one should be considered "the only" one, just it should helpful to fight your issues and help you be at the top properly for 'your' downswing.
 
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Ringer

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Technically Faldo is not on plane. I think the takeaway IS significant for some people but not everyone.
 
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Kevin Shields

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Once a shift is made, there are only reference points to the plane. Everyone is off plane if your'e referring to the club.
 
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dbl

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I wonder if in project 168 there will be some definition of planes, as there all kinds: tgm planes, Haney plane, Dunigan planes etc.
 
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