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Billy McKinney

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Someday there will be shafts designed for that..the way steel and now the Nunchuk shaft do. That is, indeed, a huge deal for better players.
 
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Kevin Shields said:
Good look of her allowing the shaft to "recover" before pulling.
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Indeed, sir. Float and flick: Click here

Don't drop and drag:
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Don't tug and throw:
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Why does it feel faster and stronger when standing the handle up into impact for us hackers? or is it a case of compensating for something else in the swing?
 
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spktho said:
Why does it feel faster and stronger when standing the handle up into impact for us hackers? or is it a case of compensating for something else in the swing?
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"The distance your ball flies is governed by your clubhead speed correctly applied." -John Jacobs
 
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lia41985 said:
Yes. Can we get back to the topic? I'd love to hear y'all's thoughts. Thanks.
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Sure. I was just making the point about the weather...seemed there was maybe something behind the indoor/outdoor comment. Maybe I'm wrong.

Anyway, very natural looking swing, though there may be a lot of mechanical practice behind it. Kevin's comment "allowing the shaft to "recover" before pulling" is related to the new release concepts, right? I'm still working on my understanding.
 
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footwedge

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faux_maestro said:
Sure. I was just making the point about the weather...seemed there was maybe something behind the indoor/outdoor comment. Maybe I'm wrong.

Anyway, very natural looking swing, though there may be a lot of mechanical practice behind it. Kevin's comment "allowing the shaft to "recover" before pulling" is related to the new release concepts, right? I'm still working on my understanding.
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Yeah, it was about the weather. And maybe to see another view of Lia's swing like FO maybe and to hear him smash it, looks like Daly's swing.
 
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Kevin Shields said:
Nice. Good look of her allowing the shaft to "recover" before pulling.
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Is the jury out on this? Or has it been determined whether actively allowing the shaft to recover is optimal rather than the shaft recovering simply due to the shift in the direction of hand acceleration. That is, at first the acceleration (or drive) is up and away from the target line due to the right arm straightening and right shoulder dropping, but once the shaft hits the impact plane the pull from the lead arm takes over via the left side pull. (all the while the right wrist is straightening.) Or is my interpretation of recent information way off all together?
 
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couple questions...

1. Do you think the player is aware of the specific movements that we are talking about or can this swing be grooved naturally without specific teaching on those specific movements?

2. Without verification by Trackman numbers, how sure can we be by "looking" at a swing and considering it almost perfect?

BTW, I assume the title of the thread asks of the name/background of this player, as in, whose swing is this. If so, IMO, this is the player:

http://www.seoulsisters.com/players/misc/jiheelee.htm
 
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Fluffy said:
Is the jury out on this? Or has it been determined whether actively allowing the shaft to recover is optimal rather than the shaft recovering simply due to the shift in the direction of hand acceleration. That is, at first the acceleration (or drive) is up and away from the target line due to the right arm straightening and right shoulder dropping, but once the shaft hits the impact plane the pull from the lead arm takes over via the left side pull. (all the while the right wrist is straightening.) Or is my interpretation of recent information way off all together?
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Hello Fluffy, can you elaborate on the shaft recovery part more? I would like to know what is gained in the first place to put the shaft into a place where it has to be recovered later? Thanks.
 
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Kevin Shields

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My understanding is to allow it to go into lag later, and to not yank on the handle toward the ball so the center of mass doesnt shoot out too soon.
 
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Fluffy

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golfdad said:
Hello Fluffy, can you elaborate on the shaft recovery part more? I would like to know what is gained in the first place to put the shaft into a place where it has to be recovered later? Thanks.
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golfdad,

Sadly, I can't comment intelligently on the "need" or the "why" of the shaft flexing and recovering midway during the downswing. M Jacobs mentioned it in his videos regarding the release. When Kevin mentioned it in this thread, I was curious whether the phenomenon is currently thought to be a by product, a check point, or something to truly focus on. My guess (and that's all this is) is that a change in direction of acceleration of the hands causes a temporary release in shaft flex and is only a by product. And we do this in the attempt to create clubhead speed. But I defer to those more informed on the subject.

The alleged change in direction of the hands' acceleration is only in some swing patterns. I think BM described one swing as dropping the hands down then pivoting around. In that type of pattern there is an obvious change in direction of hand acceleration.
 
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