Why did Greg Norman's right foot do that?

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I always thought it was some kind of way of keeping his lower body deep and under him, not lunging at the target line? But some say it was part of his problem under pressure? GREAT driver of the golf ball. But I'm guessing if we had Tman in his day, there'd be some pretty serious in-to-out, just always looked that way. And yea I do think he released the club pretty freely
 
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DC: I know you're a fan of John Jacobs's work, like me. In one of his books he talks about how he thought Norman did the right thing by changing his right foot action.

Another thing--that stance is relatively narrow!
 
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lia41985 said:
DC: I know you're a fan of John Jacobs's work, like me. In one of his books he talks about how he thought Norman did the right thing by changing his right foot action.

Another thing--that stance is relatively narrow!
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Yea I worked with and for JJ for a good while. I think he mentions it in 50 Greatest Lessons of Century. But I think we can't discuss his teaching here from what I've read
 
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lia41985 said:
DC: I know you're a fan of John Jacobs's work, like me. In one of his books he talks about how he thought Norman did the right thing by changing his right foot action.

Another thing--that stance is relatively narrow!
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BTW great work on those release videos!
 
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The short answer is that players in the "steel spikes" era pressured the ground through their feet to propel their swing much more than players do today. You can see the same move (to greater or lesser extents) in players from Hogan, Nelson, M. Norman, Knudson, Nicklaus all the way to a young Tiger Woods. You don't see that move much anymore because you can't create that much pressure in soft spikes. Also, the lighter equipment doesn't require as much ground force to be generated.

There are several excellent videos on Norman and this exact topic. Go to Youtube and search Greg Norman Footwork and you will find them.

Moderators...the videos were posted by another pro but not someone that Brian would consider a competitor (at least I don't think so). Remove them if you need to.
 
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He's trying to turn his body to the left so he has to try push the ground to the right with his right foot. But he's also shifting his cg toward the target. As the weight comes off his right foot, it slips backwards (the direction he was trying to push the ground).
 
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DC: I know you're a fan of John Jacobs's work, like me. In one of his books he talks about how he thought Norman did the right thing by changing his right foot action


When he changed his foot action he no longer became #1 or a good driver of the ball worse advice ever by a so called top 10 teacher
 
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Greg also focused on keeping the bulk of his weight on his heels throughout his swing. That might also have something to do with it.

Greg Norman Weight Distributuion - YouTube

And siksta is right. When Greg tried to take this move out of his swing he lost his driver. He looked better on the computer, hitting positions in the swing, but he lost his game.
 
Dariusz J.

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Why did Greg Norman's right foot do that?
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Becxause the orientation of shear forces between his feet and the ground were directed that way; when they exceeded friction the foot had to move and it had to move exactly in that direction. Simple as that.
When one can see that something strange/unnatural goes with one of the foot when losing contact it meant the guy must have used torque forces very strongly.

Cheers
 
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Resurecting an old thread...
When I played this weekend my buddy took an iphone video of my swing. I've never been one to look at much video of my swing, but I did notice that my right foot does this sliding move on the downswing. I'm not sure if I always do this or not, but this was a drivable par 4 so I took a rip at it trying to play a draw but hit a slight push, dead straight about 10 yards right and long of the green. It was a bomb by my standards. Might the sliding foot have something to do with the miss? I had the same miss on a couple other shots I was trying to give a little extra to.

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Dariusz J. said:
Becxause the orientation of shear forces between his feet and the ground were directed that way; when they exceeded friction the foot had to move and it had to move exactly in that direction. Simple as that.
When one can see that something strange/unnatural goes with one of the foot when losing contact it meant the guy must have used torque forces very strongly.

Cheers
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You certainly can't dispute the torque Norman generated but that right foot movement is straight back. As a student of Mr Hogan's, Dariusz, I know you've observed how he would drag his right toe towards the target in his through swing. This movement is not something I've ever noticed before and seems totally at odds with a counter clockwise rotating pelvis. Great video.
 
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MikeD2 said:
You certainly can't dispute the torque Norman generated but that right foot movement is straight back. As a student of Mr Hogan's, Dariusz, I know you've observed how he would drag his right toe towards the target in his through swing. This movement is not something I've ever noticed before and seems totally at odds with a counter clockwise rotating pelvis. Great video.
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Mike, Norman actually also dragged it targetwise but combined with a straight-back movement, as you noticed:


It seems Norman's rear foot pressure orientation was aimed not only at great CoG transfer but also at having an anti-spinning element for his rear hip. Hogan's linear CoG transfer occured earlier (still in the backswing phase) so that he could rotate as hard as he could. Norman was not capable of doing this and his linear and rotational motions are more melted into one another. Just a guess.

Cheers
 
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