Why do hitters struggle with the longer clubs?

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Tball88

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I've noticed for some time that in many on-line sites, those who try the hitting procedure as outlined in the golfing machine struggle with hitting long irons and the woods. I myself have noticed that I have the same problem. I can hit very strong short and mid-irons, but feel like I start to lose lag(right wrist breakdown) and snap hook the longer clubs.

Is there a simple answer to this apparently common problem??
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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Yes, because hitting isn't a viable pattern with the angle of approach as some people would want you to think it would be.

The simple reason why it works with short/mid irons is because the club has enough LOFT so when you deloft the crap out of it by swinging too far right and your 7 iron is now just a 5.5 iron.

Take a 3 iron and do the same thing and all of a sudden you have a 1.5 iron and people wonder why they can't get them off the ground or can't stop hooking them off the earth.
 
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Jared Willerson

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IMO, it is A LOT harder to get the right forearm in line with the shaft using hitting, you end up straightening the right arm way too early and it is also way too easy to lose PP1.

I personally did not like the feel of hitting, too easy to steer.

Plus, no one hits, I don't care what anyone says about Palmer, Trevino, Hogan, Byrd, Stadler, etc. No one hits, some may add a little more right arm and rely less on CF, but no one truly hits. Again, this is JMO
 
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glcoach said:
Plus, no one hits, I don't care what anyone says about Palmer, Trevino, Hogan, Byrd, Stadler, etc. No one hits, some may add a little more right arm and rely less on CF, but no one truly hits. Again, this is JMO
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Hitting is a TGM coutour pattern, it is like the silly outfits models wear that is never seen in the closets of real people. The only 'pure' hitter on the PGA tour makes his daily bread with a great short game and accuracy. There's a guy on the Canadian tour that uses Mindy Blake's pattern.

Nice edit job!
 
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Brian Manzella

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Here is what I know.

"Pure" Hitting is possible, but is a highly inferior method for propelling a golf ball.

"Pure" Swinging, ala Ernest Jones and "Pure" Swinging, ala Kelley are two differnet things.

Lots of golfers use hitting and swinging together. Most really good players do.

Adding some "force across the shaft" (HITTING) is much more useful when added to a golf stroke that has a bunch of pure swinging, and some extra pivot speed.

Jimmy K. is exactly correct in why some have problems with some variants of some of the above.

No matter how you MOVE the club, it had better be a good mix of path and clubface.
 
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rprevost

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Brain, Can you expand on the difference between Jones' swinging and Kelley's swinging? I know that you make reference to David Lee in one of your videos. Is Gravity Golf yet a third kind of swinging?
 
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Brian Manzella said:
"Pure" Hitting is possible, but is a highly inferior method for propelling a golf ball.
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Homer Kelley set out to prove that he could come up with a way to propel a ball with a hit -- Over the years he heard many people say - "you just can't hit a ball"

He came up with a way to figure that out, what he came up with is not what you would see to often on a golf course or range ---- just an experiment

WHat he came up with is more "Closed - Closed" than everyone is trying to do


You can do it that way, for whatever reason --- you can do it anyway

We keep "reinventing" the description and information to help golfers in the real world!
 
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