why does this happen????

[Erik_K]

The main thing I have been working on is simply getting the fall to start to the right and (eventually) draw back TO the target.

I started out by working with my 52 degree wedge because when making swing changes, I don't like to bust out long irons and/or the driver.

Two things happened...

despite me making a conscious effort to get the moving to the right, many of shots were pulls to the left.

A few shots (say 30-40%) did fall to the right, but there was no draw spin and to me these shots seemed to carry less than my pulls to the right.

Now a few shots did travel fairly straight and sounded really solid, but those were rare.

I once joked with another teaching pro, that if I ever hit a shot that started 10-15 yards to the right (or more) and draws back to the target, I'd actually give up the game. But I guess I am no where near that point yet

 

[shootin4par]

how where you pulling balls to the right?

 

[Erik_K]

how where you pulling balls to the right?

I wasn't 'pulling' balls to the right. The ones that fell to the right meant that at least the path was OK. In this case, the balls didn't start straight and slice to the right or start wayyyy left and slice to the right. They were more or less dead pushes to the right.

 

[shootin4par]

your wording in the original post threw me off.
"A few shots (say 30-40%) did fall to the right, but there was no draw spin and to me these shots seemed to carry less than my pulls to the right"

what were your divots doing?

 

[circlethrow]

twistaway in both directions wil solve your problems.hit 300 balls dedicated to twistaway only and see what happens.20 attemps and then giving up might not be such a good idea,but 300 should do the trick.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

The problem is that you are trying to do this with a wedge for one, the more loft you have the harder it is to put a side-spin rotation on the ball.

Move down to like a 7 iron, it isn't that much longer and you'll get much more movement.

The easiest way to draw the ball (with any club) is to setup in a closed stance put keep the face at your intended target. Keep the sweetspot from rotating too open in the backswing and swing down your closed plane line.

remember to fully roll and if you want REALLY big movement add just a tiny bit of flip.

 

[Erik_K]

your wording in the original post threw me off.
"A few shots (say 30-40%) did fall to the right, but there was no draw spin and to me these shots seemed to carry less than my pulls to the right"

what were your divots doing?

Divots were either relatively straight or looked slightly curved to the left. For years I had very deep divots to the left which meant I was ultra steep coming down and that makes drawing the ball all but impossible.

 

[Erik_K]

twistaway in both directions wil solve your problems.hit 300 balls dedicated to twistaway only and see what happens.20 attemps and then giving up might not be such a good idea,but 300 should do the trick.

Me quitting golf was merely a joke.

On video my left wirst is dead flat at the top, however, maintaining the twist from impact and beyond can only help. For some reason when I really focus on holding the twist, I tend to have a ball that flies pretty straight and then falls to the left.

 

[Erik_K]

The problem is that you are trying to do this with a wedge for one, the more loft you have the harder it is to put a side-spin rotation on the ball.

Move down to like a 7 iron, it isn't that much longer and you'll get much more movement.

The easiest way to draw the ball (with any club) is to setup in a closed stance put keep the face at your intended target. Keep the sweetspot from rotating too open in the backswing and swing down your closed plane line.

remember to fully roll and if you want REALLY big movement add just a tiny bit of flip.

Jim,

thanks for the reply. In general, I try to set up with a closed stance b/c this helps promote a strike from the inside and with enough forearm rotation, you can bend the crap out of the ball.

As Penick used to say, "teach him them to hook the ball."

So my practice sessions are sort of hooking practice. I really want to learn how to draw the ball effectively because I know I am hitting the ball from the inside.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

There's a difference knowing you're hooking the ball by swinging too far to the right with normal full roll and good swivel

OR

Swinging too far to the right and flippn' it .

Sometimes if you swing too far to the right than what you need to (to hook it) you can't really do anything but flip at it. Just make sure you aren't closing your stance too much.

Also if you really want to learn how to draw the ball effectively you need to do my one armed wedge drill. I don't have time to describe it right now but i will later.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Hmmmm...

OK...

Here is a little idea from the Stallion....

Take a 7-iron.

Try to hit a right to left shot that starts to the right of a pin about 100 yards out and then draws back to the left.

When it doesn't, aim more to the right.

Repeat.

Even if you have to aim to the right of Rush Limbuagh.

AT some point it will draw or hook around the pin.

then....report back here!

 

[Erik_K]

Brian,

When doing this, you mean to have a closed stance where I am aligned to the right, correct?

You mean to address the ball normally-feet square to target line, and here the target is a pin 100 yards straight away, and AIM to the right.

I can do that and will report back soon.

Jim, when you get a chance, please describe the one arm wedge drill.

thanks,
Erik

 

[Brian Manzella]

correct, aim it ALL to the right!

 

[Bill Miracle]

Curious how that helps...

correct, aim it ALL to the right!

If he points everything right of the flag...and keeps going more right....it would seem he would just hit his normal shots on straight right of the flag.

Are you sayin the coconut is going to be fixed on the target (the brain knows where the really target is) and because the swing is way right, along with everything aligned right...it's going to cause him to produce the draw he is looking for? (hope that makes sense). If so, how?

 

[Brian Manzella]

No, no, no.

I am trying to manipulate the relationship of his hips, shoulders, arm and hands at impact.