Why is bending the elbow to a more than 90 degree position unsound?

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DivotDelight

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Sorry if this question is remedial for a forum filled with insightful members and a incomparably knowledgable host,(did a search and couldn't find and answer) but is there a functional reason why bending the elbow more than 90 degree is a swing flaw? On the downswing, when one loads or finishes loading the lag with the pivot, the left wristcock increases, and in order to prevent double cocking and maintain the right forearm flying wedge, I believe the right elbow must further bend. Wouldn't the right elbow have to bend more than 90 degrees for some people? I haven't touched a club since last May, nor had been on this forum in 8 months, so again, I apologize for rehashing what may be a basic topic.
 
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Fingersen

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Wouldn't bending the right arm more than 90 degress also bend the left arm excessively and thereby distort the radius of the swing. Hard to hit the ball constantly that way, I guess. Don't know for sure, but that's my take on it anyway.
 
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puttmad

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Fingersen said:
Wouldn't bending the right arm more than 90 degress also bend the left arm excessively and thereby distort the radius of the swing. Hard to hit the ball constantly that way, I guess. Don't know for sure, but that's my take on it anyway.
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Depends on you own bone physiology re the width of your shoulders compared to the length of your arms.....wide shoulders, short arms, more bend.
Mike Dunaway, who as you know can hit the ball incredibly well, gets more than 90* at the top, but at the same time his left arm is still straight. This doesn't work for everyone though....
 
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Brian Manzella

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DivotDelight said:
Sorry if this question is remedial for a forum filled with insightful members and a incomparably knowledgable host,(did a search and couldn't find and answer) but is there a functional reason why bending the elbow more than 90 degree is a swing flaw? On the downswing, when one loads or finishes loading the lag with the pivot, the left wristcock increases, and in order to prevent double cocking and maintain the right forearm flying wedge, I believe the right elbow must further bend. Wouldn't the right elbow have to bend more than 90 degrees for some people? I haven't touched a club since last May, nor had been on this forum in 8 months, so again, I apologize for rehashing what may be a basic topic.
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I could go 1000 directions answering this "post," but let's start here:

Who said bending the elbow more than 90° is a swing flaw?
 
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shootin4par

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people can play that way and some very well
if you are looking for a con to doing it this way, one thing it can bring into the equartion, if it bends the left elbow, is another joint that needs to be timed in order to impact the ball correctly
 
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blehnhard

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What's wrong with a bent left elbow - Varden seemed to do okay.
If we can trust CF to uncock the Left Wrist, can't we trust it to straighten the left arm?

By the way, I do not bend the left arm - just like to put in my $.02 every now and then.

Bruce
 
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DivotDelight

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Brian Manzella said:
I could go 1000 directions answering this "post," but let's start here:

Who said bending the elbow more than 90° is a swing flaw?
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Must be another one of those toxic golf myths of pop instruction( or junk as you call it) I've absorbed. I can't cite sources, but I must have read it in books and magazines, along with "low and slow", "don't lift the left heel", "strike the ball down the line", "left arm must be straight", etc. Unlike those other "tips" , I don't recall an explanation why it was a no-no.
 
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JimCooper

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I bend my left arm apprx. 30 degrees. I have tried the "Tiger" swing, and failed at that. So I decided to do what feels good to me.
 
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Brian Manzella

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I'll play along for fun...

Well, there was thread where I mentioned it as being something that IF you did it (kept the right arm 90° or less bent at the top) along with NO reverse pivot, and SOME Extensor Action, that you probably WOULD NOT—so-called—"over swing." I also said it really didn't matter.

There is much theory about the right arm, but on my lesson tee, I use various "right arm positioning" and "right arm motion feel" all the time and very diferently from player to player.

You seem to be :rolleyes: very TGM knowleadgeable, and seem to want a TGM answer ;) , so go ahead, tell us...

But for ME to answer HOW I use various "right arm positioning" and "right arm motion feel" all the time and very diferently from player to player, it would take me quite a while to explain it to you. Being such a smart person, you could learn it yourself if you experimented outside the "margins" of the book.

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RatherBeGolfing

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Not that it matters to many, but Mac O'Grady and all of his students are always attempting to get to the 90* bends. Which would included 90* shoulder turn and 90* shaft to right forearm and 90* right elbow. The left arm bend is not that important - that is - it is not a focal point - a flat left wrist would out weigh a slightly bent left arm. (Not J.K. style- yikes!)

"Homer Kelly is the man!" , "He got about 60% of it correct!" - Mac O'Grady
 
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