Why more axis tilt with a Driver than a wedge?

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EdZ

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The shorter club gives you more 'room' to reach full extension before lowpoint of the clubhead - the fuller extension, the less axis tilt.

This of course can be influenced by ball position, and aiming point.
 
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hcw

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quote:Originally posted by brianman

Hint: Why is there more axis tilt with a 3-iron than a wedge?


The first person to get it right gets a prize.
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i'll give it a shot...b/c the the difference in angle between club face and shaft in the two clubs make it possible to get the right forearm on plane with the clubshaft of the wedge with less axis tilt than with the 3-iron...how'd i do?:)

-hcw
 
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The "flatter" Shoulder Turn associated with the longer clubs places the Right Shoulder farther from the Left Hip and translates to more axis tilt when the hips are moved forward.
 
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Brian Manzella

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RWH....IS THE WINNER!

You TILT MORE with longer clubs because with the shorter clubs a flat shoulder turn is CLOSER to being ON PLANE (becuase you are bent over more at address) therfore requiring LESS TILT....and visa-versa with longer clubs.
 
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TGManMachine

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quote:Originally posted by brianman
You TILT MORE with longer clubs because with the shorter clubs a flat shoulder turn is CLOSER to being ON PLANE (becuase you are bent over more at address) therfore requiring LESS TILT....and visa-versa with longer clubs.
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How much does this lateral axis tilt vary between Address, Impact Fix, and at Impact?

A 3 iron is about 38 inches and 58* lie. A SW is 35 inches and 63* lie. The differences are 3 inches in length and 5* shaft lie.

In theory, the grip end of each of these clubs is at the same height, and so should the hands at address or impact.

Drivers are in the 43 - 45 inch range and the shaft lie is 56* - 60*,

Could you quantify the differences in lateral axis tilt and perhaps provide some geometric proof for these various clubs? I hope that's not too inconvenient. Thanks.
 
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The geometric proof is that the club is longer and you stand further away from the ball. This makes the plane flatter.
 
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TGManMachine

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quote:Originally posted by mgjordan

The geometric proof is that the club is longer and you stand further away from the ball. This makes the plane flatter.
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Isn't the plane dictated by the lie angle of the club and not the length of the club?

Are you suggesting that the 5 degree difference between the 3 iron and SW will significantly flatten the plane?

I think a few accurate to scale geometric diagrams would be welcome and appropriate. Explanatory words just don't seem to be adequate.
 
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Brian Manzella

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It has NOTHING TO DO withany of what you are saying.

The need for AXIS TILT (right side bending) is simply this:

If you tuen you shoulders on the backswing THEY WON'T BE ON PLANE.

You have to bend to the right (axis tilt) on the downswing to get the right shoulder to go DOWN A PLANE TOWARD THE BALL.

With a wedge, you bend over more than a driver BECAUSE OF CLUB

L - E - N - G - T - H

(you have to reach the ground).

If you bent over enough at address, you would not need ANY axis tilt.

(read the book)
 
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Brian Manzella

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Nope. sorry.

I made a great and simple explanation and answer to your question above.

I really want to help you learn to play better...AND WRITE ABOUT GOLF BETTER!

This is your first real test.

Something you don't understand, but is very easy.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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quote:Originally posted by TGManMachine

Isn't the plane dictated by the lie angle of the club and not the length of the club?
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No....the plane of you swing is dictated by the length of your club and not the lie angle.

Take your driver and grip down on it about 7" and then setup to the ball to try and hit your driver. Due to you being so bent over at the waist the club is going to have to be swung more steeply because you are now standing much closer to it.
 
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TGManMachine

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quote:Originally posted by jim_0068

quote:Originally posted by TGManMachine

Isn't the plane dictated by the lie angle of the club and not the length of the club?
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No....the plane of you swing is dictated by the length of your club and not the lie angle.
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Nope, that's not what Kelley says in TGM. I posted what Kelley said, but that post was deleted as being "off topic". Go figure.
 
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