Why Tiger has been playing so well and a personal rant

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Jim Kobylinski

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klutes said:
Yeah. Funny to read here what he's doing wrong, or how to fix him at any given time. :)

I think he's "fixed" purty good.
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Before i get going:

Dear Klutes, if your post was meant to be "in jest" i apologize for singling you out. But there has a been a lot of posts lately that have been aggravating me and yours was just the one that sent me over the edge. So again, i apologize if you just meant it as a joke as typing what you mean is rather difficult.

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RANT ON

It's posts like those ^^^ that really get my blood boiling. You see, everything that both Brian and I have been complaining about with Tiger (specifically his plane and left arm rotation) for God only knows how long (actually if someone had the time and was bored i'm sure you could find me complaining about it all the way back to the battle at Doral against Phil) he has ADJUSTED.

You see, Tiger's a smart guy and knows quite a bit about the swing and to be honest, i think playing with that plane board at the British Open made him realize that he needed to work on it quite a bit more than he thought.

So what happened?

He has adjusted BOTH things that we have been complaining about:

1) His backswing is MUCH SHOTER with his irons making it much easier for him to stay on plane (not below) on the downswing and is swinging more left. So "like magic" his ballstriking has improved.

2) Much like #1 above, because his backswing is much shorter he doesn't quite rotate that lead arm as much and again, doesn't get under the sweetspot so much and this in turns doesn't force him to "save it" so often. So again, "like magic" he's hitting it better.

*However he really hasn't changed his plane or forearm roatation in his FULL SWING and thus is still struggling some.

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Despite the 2 reasons above, he's also PUTTING THE BALL EXTREMELY WELL! Tiger has always been towards the top of the GIR stats no matter how's he swinging so when you are someone like that and start dropping putts you are gonna shoot some low ass scores.

So you see Klutes, we at the Manzella Academy know what we're doing. If Tiger came to us to we could show him his couple faults, show him what he did that made him maybe the best ever in 2000 and because he's such a talented athlete he'd probably pick it up in a few buckets.

Let's take Tiger out of the equation, how about you do a search for all the reviews on Brian (and some about me) about all the people who have taken lessons or attended schools and their improvements.

Not too mention how many of these people have come from other well known teachers (i'll leave names out of it) who have left our lessons dumbfounded because none of them could get them to improve that fast and/or would never address THE REAL ISSUES and wouldn't get better.

I've had a few students taking lessons from other instructors for over A YEAR who can't get them to stop slicing it or hooking it and i (we) do it ONE LESSON with no bastardization. Now it's up to them keep working on it but i'll be damned if they don't leave the lesson not doing what they did when they came.

There's even a post in the archives about someone who bought brian's NSA and saw his explanation of thie twistaway and thought it was JUNK and a complete waste. Guess what? He had a bad day on the golf course and decided to "try anything" and his post went something like......3 birdies and an eagle later ;).

So if you want to stick around here and learn feel free otherwise there are plenty of other golf sites you can hang around at.

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klutes

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Jim Kobylinski said:
Before i get going:

So you see Klutes, we at the Manzella Academy know what we're doing. If Tiger came to us to we could show him his couple faults, show him what he did that made him maybe the best ever in 2000 and because he's such a talented athlete he'd probably pick it up in a few buckets.

Let's take Tiger out of the equation, how about you do a search for all the reviews on Brian (and some about me) about all the people who have taken lessons or attended schools and their improvements.

Not too mention how many of these people have come from other well known teachers (i'll leave names out of it) who have left our lessons dumbfounded because none of them could get them to improve that fast and/or would never address THE REAL ISSUES and wouldn't get better.

I've had a few students taking lessons from other instructors for over A YEAR who can't get them to stop slicing it or hooking it and i (we) do it ONE LESSON with no bastardization. Now it's up to them keep working on it but i'll be damned if they don't leave the lesson not doing what they did when they came.

There's even a post in the archives about someone who bought brian's NSA and saw his explanation of thie twistaway and thought it was JUNK and a complete waste. Guess what? He had a bad day on the golf course and decided to "try anything" and his post went something like......3 birdies and an eagle later ;).

So if you want to stick around here and learn feel free otherwise there are plenty of other golf sites you can hang around at.

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Hey Jim, you need to chill a little. I'm a paying customer and have driven down for sessions with Brian more than once , not to mention the videos I've ordered and paid for . I just find it somewhat entertaining that Tiger just shot 63 at the PGA but still is having "swing issues". Surely you can see my view? And don't tell me to go to other sites. I'm a big boy.
 
lia41985

lia41985

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Jim, I believe you, but confirm what you see as Tiger's changes with visual evidence.

An aside, Hank Haney is not with Tiger at the PGA.
 
lia41985

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Pictures of Tiger

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Today's round @ the PGA (leader after 2 rounds):


Sunday's round @ Bridgestone (won):


Tiger at Carnoustie (T12th, 5 strokes behind):


Tiger at Oakmont (2nd by 1 shot):


Someone knowledgeable care to comment on the differences?
 
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Ringer

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The thing I've noticed about Tiger is how much less "cramped up" he looks these last two weeks than before. I think it's as simple as he's a bit further away from the ball and does not feel as awkward trying to take the club back.

But I haven't really had a chance to see the swing in slow motion or frame by frame. Thats just off of what I see on the simulcast of the PGA website.
 
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From July 2004, but may be relative to this discussion--from http://www.golftodaymagazine.com/0407jul/butchon.htm
“He has radically changed the path of his backswing,” Harmon said. “It’s a lot more out and around. Because of this, the plane of the swing is flatter and he’s coming more underneath on the downswing. He’s put the shaft and his hands more behind him on the downswing, and that’s why he’s fought his driver. He always had the ability to hit a little fade out there, and he fights it now. And you hardly ever see him hit that stinger off the tee. The position he’s coming from, it’s hard to do.”

Tiger knows this criticism, not necessarily from Harmon, but from others. This is how he has responded.

“The blocking is because (the downswing) is narrow,” Woods said. “I react by speeding up the hips and I try to get the club on top of the ball. That’s where I get narrow and stuck and hit it way to the right. I can also hit a couple of flip hooks in there, too, when I get stuck. The key is to stay wide all the time on the way down, but you have to put yourself up in that position on the way back. You just have to be patient. I am building and things are starting to come together.”

What are the changes Tiger has been working on? Johnny Miller thinks he knows.

“His short irons are beautiful now,” Miller said. “He’s much smoother than he was before. There’s not as much wrist-cock immediately in the backswing. But with his hands more in control, like they are now, he has far more wrist-cock on top of the swing, and that creates a narrow downswing. He doesn’t have as much room as he used to have coming down, and when he explodes through the ball with his hips, like he does with the driver, it creates problems.”

Miller believes Tiger is working on the right thing, he just needs more clubhead lag to widen the swing: less wrist-cock on top, more coming down.
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Jim Kobylinski

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klutes said:
Hey Jim, you need to chill a little. I'm a paying customer and have driven down for sessions with Brian more than once , not to mention the videos I've ordered and paid for . I just find it somewhat entertaining that Tiger just shot 63 at the PGA but still is having "swing issues". Surely you can see my view? And don't tell me to go to other sites. I'm a big boy.
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Then like i said, i apologize. It wasn't necessarily you but definately just a multitude of posts.
 
lia41985

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Jim, what about some insights on those pictures?

BTW, Nobilo and Chamblee keep saying Tiger has his left arm more glued to his chest.
 
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Butch on Sky sports was commenting on how Tiger seemed to be swinging more upright. I watched some of his swings in slow mo and with the irons at least it looked like he was more upright than parallel to the shaft plane line on the way back (Haney's philosophy).
 
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Jim, how does a shorter swing help Tiger to swing more upright? I thought the further back you go, the more upright the plane shifts.
 
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Brian Manzella

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You want visual evidence?

What about the SwingVison from today's round.

Tiger is MUCH closer to the ball, with LESS left arm flying wedge rotation, more on a standard turned shoulder plane, lesss laid off, and less reserve swiveled.

Other than that, he is swinging at it exactly the same.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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tongzilla said:
Jim, how does a shorter swing help Tiger to swing more upright? I thought the further back you go, the more upright the plane shifts.
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In my experience golfers who over rotate the lead arm do it in a gradual fashion throughout the backswing. So the shorter the swing the less over rotated you'll be.

That's why a lot of laid off golfers tend to still hit 3/4 shots better than they can full shots.
 
lia41985

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FYI, Tim Rosaforte, on last night's "Golf Central", said he spoke with Tiger's good friend and PGA pro John Cook. Cook was quoted as saying that Tiger's "hand path" was much better. As I said in another post, Chamblee and Nobilo were saying that Tiger's left arm was more against his left pectoral. Also, again as I said earlier, Haney IS NOT with Tiger at the PGA. Conspiracy theorists beware! There's no rift. Haney's wife had a medical procedure and Hank's with her at home in Texas. Here are pictures from today's round:



 
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