winning swings that don't fit the model

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scandres

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New to this forum, not very well versed in my TGM book which is quite old but not very well worn.
My hesitation from studying more TGM is my idea (perhaps flawed) that there are many swings out that are creating wonderful shots that don't employ many of the methods that are employed by TGM instructors.
Lag doesn't appear much in the swing of some of the best players (Tom Watson), but seems to be an underlying theme of all of TGM instruction I've experienced. I've actually found that teaching throwaway with the Tac-Tic on the right wrist produces a more loaded delivery.
The graphic Brian has above his name shows a position that I've found difficult to get rid of in better players (Gary Hallberg, Brad Faxon) where the left wrist gets out too far in front of the shaft at impact.
I've been very impressed with this forum, I hope my post isn't viewed as being critical, I'm just looking for more insight.
 
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scandres

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Mike,
So in a swing like Watson's the pressure is there on the downswing, even though the appearance of lag isn't? How can we see pressure (perhaps in ball flight?)?
 
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Brian Manzella

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Lag or TRIGGER DELAY?

All have lag....some have far less trigger delay.

Faxon and Halberg need to learn SEQUENCED RELEASE...

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Welcome.
 
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njmp2

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quote:Originally posted by scandres

New to this forum, not very well versed in my TGM book which is quite old but not very well worn.
My hesitation from studying more TGM is my idea (perhaps flawed) that there are many swings out that are creating wonderful shots that don't employ many of the methods that are employed by TGM instructors.
Lag doesn't appear much in the swing of some of the best players (Tom Watson), but seems to be an underlying theme of all of TGM instruction I've experienced. I've actually found that teaching throwaway with the Tac-Tic on the right wrist produces a more loaded delivery.
The graphic Brian has above his name shows a position that I've found difficult to get rid of in better players (Gary Hallberg, Brad Faxon) where the left wrist gets out too far in front of the shaft at impact.
I've been very impressed with this forum, I hope my post isn't viewed as being critical, I'm just looking for more insight.
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TGM is a study of every possibility, some right, some totally wrong.
Watson uses sweep loading and a sweep release. That is also lag. Some like a random sweep, some like a non-automatic sweep. Still others prefer a variation of a snap release which is what you think all TGM lag is. It isn’t - they are many forms of it. Good player do all of them, just not a the same time, of course.
Every effective swing has a flat left wrist, a bend in the right wrist. This is the simplest form of the flying wedges.
“Throw away” is the number one impact fault. Throw away is bending the left wrist and straightening the right one. Flipping - and that is as weak a thing that can be done in a swing.
Every effective swing has a form of lag. That is why Faxon and others have the hands ahead of the clubhead. That is club head lag. There are two other forms of lag, pivot and accumulator lag.
Lag is the secret of golf. Body (pivot) leads hands (brains and pressure points) leads clubhead (weapon on ball).
Brain is TGM trained and has his methods of teaching students. Yoda is TGM trained and has his methods of training students. Both follow the three imperatives, both are successful because of that. But guess what, every golf instructor should understand the three imperatives and employ them in their teaching without even knowing who Homer Kelley is. So do, and so many fail to even recognize the concepts.
Keep reading and asking question. good luck TGM- Brain-Yoda or Chuck Evans are the way to go.
 
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Mathew

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It is a valid question, why labour to produce perfection when most of the PGA tour professionals are very often using sub-optimal machines themselves. It just begs the question of perfection, why produce something perfect instead of something that will do?

I often think of Homer Kelley's quest of perfection and understanding of a similar service to golf as John Harrison did for horology. The mind and intellect behind the ideas book is unparalleled and makes a mockery of all the would be pretenders. Because people are either unwilling or unable to understand Homer Kelleys genious they denounce for many different reasons - and always the wrong ones....

It is a matter of perfection - in the 60's snooker players would get a round of applause like they just performed a miracle if they scored a 100 break yet nowadays its a regular occurance even amongst the good club players. It is a matter of perfection which drives this game forward and Homer has specified the way forward with the golfing machine. Remember we are but a part of his book carrying forward his incredible legacy seeking to understand and then explain it to others.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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quote:Originally posted by scandres

New to this forum, not very well versed in my TGM book which is quite old but not very well worn.
My hesitation from studying more TGM is my idea (perhaps flawed) that there are many swings out that are creating wonderful shots that don't employ many of the methods that are employed by TGM instructors.
Lag doesn't appear much in the swing of some of the best players (Tom Watson), but seems to be an underlying theme of all of TGM instruction I've experienced. I've actually found that teaching throwaway with the Tac-Tic on the right wrist produces a more loaded delivery.
The graphic Brian has above his name shows a position that I've found difficult to get rid of in better players (Gary Hallberg, Brad Faxon) where the left wrist gets out too far in front of the shaft at impact.
I've been very impressed with this forum, I hope my post isn't viewed as being critical, I'm just looking for more insight.
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This is no offense to you but your post is why so many people have a bad view of TGM because they don't know a lot about it and assume it is a "model" as you said in your post.

TGM is not a model nor has a "model" swing. It has a few imperatives that all players have and then the rest of the book dicusses COMPONENTS AND WAYS OF SWINGING OR HITTING. THATS IT.

Whether you look at the triple shift of Furyk (in the book) or Stadler's pure hitting action (in the book), you should be able to find somethign that works for the student you are working with.

Again this wasn't to be mean but you have to understand that TGM isn't a "how to play golf" or "a kind of model golf" it is a way to figure out hot "YOU PLAY GOLF!" :D
 
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njmp2

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quote:Originally posted by Mathew

TGM isn't a 'model' method but by cataloging the components you can describe the perfection...
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But not everything in the catalog is worth pursuing. This catalog notion may not be as legitimate as in the past. We see that some components work wonderfully together and some aren't worth the time to explore. Seems a few "models" are emerging thanks to the true word of the book being taught. Don't get me wrong, there is still plenty of things to examine and develop.
 
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corky05

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Its about setting the bar higher. Thats why the Swedes are going to the 1st tee with 54 in mind.


quote:Originally posted by Mathew

It is a valid question, why labour to produce perfection when most of the PGA tour professionals are very often using sub-optimal machines themselves. It just begs the question of perfection, why produce something perfect instead of something that will do?

I often think of Homer Kelley's quest of perfection and understanding of a similar service to golf as John Harrison did for horology. The mind and intellect behind the ideas book is unparalleled and makes a mockery of all the would be pretenders. Because people are either unwilling or unable to understand Homer Kelleys genious they denounce for many different reasons - and always the wrong ones....

It is a matter of perfection - in the 60's snooker players would get a round of applause like they just performed a miracle if they scored a 100 break yet nowadays its a regular occurance even amongst the good club players. It is a matter of perfection which drives this game forward and Homer has specified the way forward with the golfing machine. Remember we are but a part of his book carrying forward his incredible legacy seeking to understand and then explain it to others.
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FanofHogan

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I think it boils down to some people want to know WHAT they are doing and others just want to DO it. By that I mean you have guys like Elkington and guys like Couples. The only lag pressure Couples cares to know about is the pressure the remote control places on his hand as he is picking it up off the TV.
 
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