Wrist action.

[Kwagga]

Would like to know your thoughts on the hinging action ao the top players. Seems to me that many of the worlds leading players have a "cupped" left wrist at the top of the swing and a fairly laid back "open" look to the clubface coming down. After impact they seem to again have the left wrist fairly cupped moving to the finish.

I am sure this must be covered somewhere but would like to know your thoughts on this.

 

[speedracer68]

That swing that you have shown in your other video has a guy with his left wrist flat..I don't see any cupping at the top..flat left wrist is the best thing..=)

 

[Kwagga]

That swing that you have shown in your other video has a guy with his left wrist flat..I don't see any cupping at the top..flat left wrist is the best thing..=)

Yes. I agree. But look at players such as Ernie Els and Charles Howell III , they most definitely have cupped wrists at the top and starting down.

 

[holeout]

Possibly many of them work toward some kind of NHA pattern where they fight the clubface getting too closed on the backswing? I really have no idea, but I do see what you are talking about.

 

[Spike]

If the left hand is held out in front, wrist vertical and fingers open, you would have a FLW. If you made a fist from that position there would be a slight bend look to the back of the hand.

There is some leeway, imo, in this area of FLAT towards ARCHED.

This is what you may be seeing in the backswings of some of the pros you are talking about. Possibly.

 

[DOCW3]

Wedges

Acknowledging the recent "traffic" about what flat "is," what is the effect of the bend on the Flying Wedge requirement, "the entire Left Arm, the Clubshaft and the back of the Left Hand are ALWAYS positioned against the same flat plane--the plane of the Left Wristcock motion?" How does one align the three with a bend? Is this an issue of what works for the individual and must be determined through experimentation?

If the left hand is held out in front, wrist vertical and fingers open, you would have a FLW. If you made a fist from that position there would be a slight bend look to the back of the hand. There is some leeway, imo, in this area of FLAT towards ARCHED.This is what you may be seeing in the backswings of some of the pros you are talking about. Possibly.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Well....

...Seems to me that many of the worlds leading players have a "cupped" left wrist at the top of the swing and a fairly laid back "open" look to the clubface coming down. After impact they seem to again have the left wrist fairly cupped moving to the finish.

Some do exactly as you say. I wouldn't say it is the majority, although it is more "in style" these days.

Why do they do it?

1. Cupped on the way down increases the amount of wirst cock that can be attained

2. Past the ball, it is easier to "semi-roll" a draw pattern

Remember...tour caliber players aren't slicers.

 

[Spike]

Acknowledging the recent "traffic" about what flat "is," what is the effect of the bend on the Flying Wedge requirement, "the entire Left Arm, the Clubshaft and the back of the Left Hand are ALWAYS positioned against the same flat plane--the plane of the Left Wristcock motion?" How does one align the three with a bend? Is this an issue of what works for the individual and must be determined through experimentation?

Not sure if this is the right answer...but could it be we're talking about the difference between a "cupping" of the left wrist or a slight "bend"?

If I grip the club with the left wrist on top of the shaft and paralell to the leading edge of the clubface....then set my forearm on a table top with the butt end of the club touching the table....it looks lik there is a slight 'bend' in my wrist but the shaft is still in line with my forearm. If I turn the left wrist 90* from that position the shaft is still in alignment to my left forearm.

I'm wondering if it has more to do with where the right wrist is in relationship to the plane? I think that some players can rotate the left wrist inside the right hand.

What do you guys think?

 

[Kwagga]

Some do exactly as you say. I wouldn't say it is the majority, although it is more "in style" these days.

Why do they do it?

1. Cupped on the way down increases the amount of wirst cock that can be attained

2. Past the ball, it is easier to "semi-roll" a draw pattern

Remember...tour caliber players aren't slicers.

Brian.

Could you please explain point 2 more clearly. If they were flat at the top with the wrist could they not just sustain the line of compression longer through the hit or "hit the box" as you call it to not fear going left, no reason for this cupping then at the top and starting down. Does the cupping and more lag on the downswing give them anything more in TGM terms with regard to speed etc through the ball.

Thanks in Advance.