wrist cock ?
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Jim Kobylinski
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because:
1) the left arm rotates
2) the folding of the right arm will cock the left wrist
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People get into trouble when they "try" to cock both
1) the left arm rotates
2) the folding of the right arm will cock the left wrist
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People get into trouble when they "try" to cock both
Jerry, that question used to bug the crap out of me too, pick up a club, and slowly start doing different hand manipulations, try just bending the rear wrist, see how the lead responds, see the difference of when you cock the rear wrist, slow small swing se how the rear arm can make your lead wrist cock and uncock.
You can cock the left and fold the right because of the grip.
You do need to change the grip of your right hand SLIGHTLY and place the grip more in the hand and less in the fingers. This will allow the right forearm and club shaft to align and work properly with a bent or folded right wrist. This is not the palm grip</u>, just a slight shift that allows the right hand to cover the left thumb- Pressure point #1.
The bent right wrist - a horizontal plane and the cocked left wrist- a vertical plane becomes the Flying Wedges, TGM in a nutshell. The cocked left and bent right is pure magic because each hand has its own plane. You can cock and uncock the left’s vertical motion and never upset the right’s horizontal plane. You can release accumulator #2 (left) and still keep an intact right flying wedge. This is TGM genius.
As Jim mentioned the folding of the right arm (elbow) cocks the left wrist. The bend of the right wrist is established at Impact Fix (Where’s Your Aiming Point?) - it doesn’t fold back the same for every club, especially in the Hit Stroke.
Why a bent right wrist and not a vertically cocked one? The bent, folded right wrist forms a strut, 90 degrees of power. The right Flying Wedge supports everything in the swing. The left wrist is Flat because the right wrist bends and aligns it Flat. A cocked right wrist would be at best a weaken strut.- Why go weak?
If you look at the right hand of Nicklaus, Snead and Hogan, each with very different elbow positions, Jack -high, Hogan-low and Sammy in the middle, each had perfect bent right wrists.
Learn Flying Wedges and you can’t go wrong.
quote:Originally posted by EdZ
Especially if you add some extensor action to 'keep' them set -
nice post Mike, as always
Thank you Edward.
My incubator is on the "Da Homer Code" setting and cracking shells every time I pick up the book. (and clubs)
Right forearm Take-away...Extensor Action... Flying Wedges... Pivot...Power Package Delievery.. Hinge Action.. Loud Impact.
Sweet machine, no?
Brian Manzella
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Because a LEVEL wrist is 'pretty darn uncocked,' the bending of the right elbow...UPWARD...makes the left wrist cock UPWARD.
The right wrist has NOTHING to do with this.
The right wrist has NOTHING to do with this.
birdie_man
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If you watch 'Confessions'...I don't know if you have it...Brian talks about the dragging clubhead takeaway and performs it all throughout the video- pretty much whenever he hits a shot.
"Brush the grass back and chop it off at the roots", he says. See how it adds some momentum to that backswing, to that club?
Remember how he talks about the shaft stressing at the top of the backswing in the change of directions too? This is from the momentum on the backswing (the club actually stresses at the start of the takeaway too- with a 'dragging clubhead takeaway'- the more the shaft stresses on the backswing the better, I think is what Brian said in his video). Anyway- this momemtum- this is what should turn your left wrist/left palm/clubface to the inclined plane (the pane of glass, if you will) and cock your right elbow...the cocking of the elbow is what then bends your right wrist straight back and flattens the left. Momentum does it.
This is setting 'Impact hands'.
Now that your left wrist has turned to the plane (the proper plane- on plane) your startup swivel is done- that's all you have to turn your wrist in the backswing.
***This is called fanning, and is for SWINGERS (this is the 'startup swivel' you might have heard about). Basically hold both hands out in front of you, palm to palm, thumbs up. Leave your left hand where it is- clap your right hand with your left, your left hand and forearm swinging on an arc like a door on a hinge. This is fanning. Note how you can only fan it about 45 degrees. 1/4 turn. See?
Your hands are set. You let your hands finish their ride with momentum to the top.
Anyway, that's what you want basically. That's the jist of what a swinger's takeaway is like "ideally" and where the hands/club go...this is all simplified...and remember no new move is so easy to get used to...but you do need to understand it first.
I don't want to say the downswing takes care of itself now, cause it doesn't. I'm still working on this. It's hard not to think "K so now that I'm good to the top...it should be a pice of cake to get down to the ball." Might not be tho. New moves on the way back, new moves on the way down.
OK, enough for now...heh. Hope that helps ya. Might be information overload, but hey I don't like to stop once I get goin'. [8D]
P.S. You have to really let it go with momentum on the backswing once you know it and can trust it to do so. That's where all that effortless power comes from. Club merely floats in the hands.
"Brush the grass back and chop it off at the roots", he says. See how it adds some momentum to that backswing, to that club?
Remember how he talks about the shaft stressing at the top of the backswing in the change of directions too? This is from the momentum on the backswing (the club actually stresses at the start of the takeaway too- with a 'dragging clubhead takeaway'- the more the shaft stresses on the backswing the better, I think is what Brian said in his video). Anyway- this momemtum- this is what should turn your left wrist/left palm/clubface to the inclined plane (the pane of glass, if you will) and cock your right elbow...the cocking of the elbow is what then bends your right wrist straight back and flattens the left. Momentum does it.
This is setting 'Impact hands'.
Now that your left wrist has turned to the plane (the proper plane- on plane) your startup swivel is done- that's all you have to turn your wrist in the backswing.
***This is called fanning, and is for SWINGERS (this is the 'startup swivel' you might have heard about). Basically hold both hands out in front of you, palm to palm, thumbs up. Leave your left hand where it is- clap your right hand with your left, your left hand and forearm swinging on an arc like a door on a hinge. This is fanning. Note how you can only fan it about 45 degrees. 1/4 turn. See?
Your hands are set. You let your hands finish their ride with momentum to the top.
Anyway, that's what you want basically. That's the jist of what a swinger's takeaway is like "ideally" and where the hands/club go...this is all simplified...and remember no new move is so easy to get used to...but you do need to understand it first.
I don't want to say the downswing takes care of itself now, cause it doesn't. I'm still working on this. It's hard not to think "K so now that I'm good to the top...it should be a pice of cake to get down to the ball." Might not be tho. New moves on the way back, new moves on the way down.
OK, enough for now...heh. Hope that helps ya. Might be information overload, but hey I don't like to stop once I get goin'. [8D]
P.S. You have to really let it go with momentum on the backswing once you know it and can trust it to do so. That's where all that effortless power comes from. Club merely floats in the hands.
I don't know. If I get my hands into impact fix and then bring my arms up plane, my right elbow folds but that doesn't cock the left hand - it just mainly brings the left arm up (maybe a slight bit of cocking).
If I do any cocking of the left hand in the vertical plane and want the right hand NOT to cock, I have to to severely loosen the grip so the left thumb swishes up past the right hand.
So, sorry, but there still lots of fog on only cocking the left.
Update: Looking at LB's logo and then folding the right elbow I can see how cocking the left hand "brings" the right hand along with it up and "ideally' (perhaps) not cocking it. But when the LH has cocked up 30 degrees, the RH has cocked 10 degrees. Can't eliminate it.
If I do any cocking of the left hand in the vertical plane and want the right hand NOT to cock, I have to to severely loosen the grip so the left thumb swishes up past the right hand.
So, sorry, but there still lots of fog on only cocking the left.
Update: Looking at LB's logo and then folding the right elbow I can see how cocking the left hand "brings" the right hand along with it up and "ideally' (perhaps) not cocking it. But when the LH has cocked up 30 degrees, the RH has cocked 10 degrees. Can't eliminate it.
Jim Kobylinski
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I use my right bicep to fold my right arm to bring the club to the top. I don't worry about wrist cock because during the change of direction, the shaft is going to load and cock my wrists even more and that is when i feel my #3pp
Jim Kobylinski
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there is also some amount of wrist cock from the folding of the right elbow as well.
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