Your Opinion on this statement.....

[Brian Manzella]

Chuck Evans said:

"The ultimate goal has always been to get the correct information into the golfing worlds hands and then it is up to them to decide whether to use it or not. As for Elkington, according to a golf tournament announcer a couple of months ago, he has quit TGM...in fact there is a post somewhere on this forum about his decision. I called him and left a message but never heard back. So while it may be "important" to have a "Tour Player" publically announcing that TGM is "the greatest thing since sliced bread", it won't do TGM any favors by having them play poorly then telling the golf world that this "stuff" does not work.

The only way it doesn't work is through faulty translation from instructor to pupil."

 

[6bee1dee]

TGM does not need a tour player to endorse The Golfing Machine. Unless a Tour player advanced through the ranks as a junior with a solid background of TGM- it would be counter productive to have their endorsement. Save perhaps Tiger Wood’s endorsement. Tour guys are always changing gurus. In a perfect world how wonderful would it be to have Cook, Hebron, etc join Ben Doyle as known TGM professors of the swing and when they appear on Golf Academy Live- utter his name or book. But as you know Brian, being a instructor means you are an independent contractor - no union, no industry standards. You need to be as creative in your business as you as you are with your range side manner with students. Unless TGM became a force like the PGA - and guess what dues would cost then - it’s every AI for themselves. This is not a bad thing either.

As for Elkington- I do not know the story but how did he get his GSED before you? There had to be a push to get Elkington his GSED without a full understanding of the book. That was a mistake.

 

[corky05]

TGM isn't a method of playing, as much as a method of teaching. A Tour player could have a TGM compliant swing and not know what TGM stands for. An AI could use TGM to instruct,but the pupil may or may not know, determining on the language the AI used.
Tour players are a unique breed and make up the smallest fraction of golfers. It wouldn't hurt TGM if a Tour player didn't endorse TGM, however, it would certainly help if a top 5 caliber Tour player (Tiger, Vijay, Philly Mick, Retief,Els) gave TGM all the credit. If its not a perennial household name kinda guy, I don't think it matters.

 

[Martee]

I am still confused after all these years with the pre-occupation that golfers' have with a particular method/style/teacher being THE THING.... Especially with the history in golf where methods/styles/teachers are re-invented about every 5 to 10 years and the Pro's jump instructors/coaches/best friends if there is even the faintest hope that it will make them better.

As for TGM, and this is my humble limited educated opinion. You don't teach TGM to golfers, you teach it to instructors. You teach golfers the golf stroke, their golf stroke based on TGM tenants.

Unless you are going to teach either 12-1 (hitting) or 12-2 (swinging) and follow 12-5-1, 12-5-2 and 12-5-3, IMO you are not teaching according to the TGM method or the TGM definition of the golf stroke.

Every golf instructor is going to have variations or different understandings of the golf stroke, unless they have worked directly with Homer and got it from him in his words and his belessings of your understanding. THIS IS NOT A PUT DOWN on Instructors.

Any Golf Instructor who bases his instruction on TGM has got to be eons ahead of those who are guessing and copying others who have been guessing.

I can't say for sure what is exactly correct or not all the time, but I do have appreciation for those instructors who adhere to the imperatives and essentials. It is nice when they go beyond that, but then as someone said, you are in business and you may have to spin it to sell it, but still from you and others, it all based on TGM.

I guess the question is when does a golf instructor earn the right to say the what he teaches is his method/style even though he has based it on TGM?

 

[Martee]

Edited my response, it was off topic...

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

all i know is when tiger left the al-mighty "butch," butch still teaches and has plenty of students. How leadbetter stays in business with all his tour players not making waves i dont know.

In reality anyone in the normal golfing public has NEVER heard of TGM. When i mention it at my range maybe maybe 1 in 50 people will have "heard" about it. So if someone on tour says TGM is at fault most people will just say "what the hell is that?"

 

[Mathew]

quote:Originally posted by horton

quote:Originally posted by brianman

Horton....

This crappy, not-on-topic response of your will come down soon.

I think this is a legit subject (Chuck's comments) and they should be discussed.

I beg to differ with your comments, and I believe my post is definitely on topic according to my POV, which I offer freely to this fine forum.

Like anybody else with half a brain, I look at TGM and must sanely conclude that it's going nowhere in it's present confused state. The book is a mess and the organization and presentation of TGM is equally suspect. Homer called TGM a science-based approach to the golfswing, yet no reputable scientist in the biomechanical field has agreed with nor endorsed Homer's biomechanical science, The promotion of TGM by certified AI's is no more an endorsement of TGM than is the science it claims.

Elkington know that TGM is not marketable, as does every other tour pro golfer. If you think that you, Doyle, Evans and a Yoda will legitimize TGM ... well good luck ... and don't slip on anything scientific.

Delete my posts at your own risk and credibility of this fine forum.

Horton... We in this forum know that you possess the IQ of lint, but even though we are accepting to those that are different, we do not like to see the equivalent of spam clogging up the forum.

 

[horton]

quote:Originally posted by brianman

Chuck Evans said: The only way it doesn't work is through faulty translation from instructor to pupil."

Well I can agree with that comment based on my own experience attempting to translate TGM.

 

[corky05]

Thanks! You just gave the best endorsement for seeing a qualified AI. You're not qualified to understand it and you have already stated your not TGM educated. Much appreciated!

 

[lagster]

I think Johnny Miller offered to endorse the book after Mr. Doyle straightened him out. ( sometime in the late 70's or early 80's) He came out of his slump and won several more tour events. Johnny, however wanted a fee for the endorsement. Mr. Kelley decided not to go there.

 

[Iowagolfpr]

IMO only a few instructors in the world can teach Mr. Kelley's principles. Even G.S.E.D.s disagree on what to teach and how to teach it. When it comes to golf equipement, the public really cares what the pros are using. The Wilson golf company tried to market their products without tour player endorsements. They gave up. When the average golfer and tour player can understand Homer's teachings many more will join the fold. Brian's idea of a new edition of The Golfing Mechine is correct. The powers to be should do it now.