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Ben Hogan vs. Byron Nelson
Jim Gorant explains why Byron Nelson was better

By Jim Gorant
Senior Editor, Sports Illustrated (Golf Plus)
Published: October 02, 2007

In the second in a series of great golf arguments, we've asked Jim Gorant and Gary Van Sickle to debate who was the greater golfer: Byron Nelson or Ben Hogan. After reading their arguments, tell us what you think in our forum.

I'm not here to knock Ben Hogan, because, he is after all, Ben Freakin' Hogan. But Nelson was better. Yes, Hogan's got better numbers. More wins. More majors. More books written about him (or so it seems). But where Hogan was the ultimate grinder, Nelson was a golf genius, an innovator, an artist. Mozart to Hogan's Salieri. Gayle Sayers to Hogan's Larry Csonka.

While Hogan was famously finding it in the dirt, silently bulldozing trenches across the Lone Star State in a sort of manic plow toward immortality, Nelson alighted on the scene with the grace and delicacy of a sparrow landing on a twig. Yes, he worked hard to come up with the upright, big-muscle action that would transition the game from the hickory shaft era to a new steel age, but he did it so much more gracefully and fought with it less over the years. It's the basis of the modern motion and the model for the swing machine known as Iron Byron, an ironic nod to one of the game's sweetest and least mechanical swings. With the exception of Chad Campbell, not many pros swing like Hogan anymore.

Then there's the streak, 11 in a row in 1945, that's not likely to be broken, ever. It's even more impressive when put into context of the entire season, when Nelson had 18 wins and seven seconds. The conventional wisdom is that many other top players were off fighting the war during Nelson's streak, but as Nelson pointed out in How I Played the Game, Hogan and most of the other top players participated in part if not all of the '45 season. Hogan won five times himself. The truth is Nelson averaged 68.33 strokes per round and 67.45 in final rounds that year, which is tough for anyone to beat, Hogan included. In '46, when everyone was back, Nelson won seven more tournaments.

Yes, Byron left the scene early, retiring after the '46 season at 34, and if he played another 10 years he certainly would have won more, but he was a simple man who dreamed only of retiring to a ranch in Texas. Having earned enough to do just that, he gave up his sticks but remained dedicated to the game, mentoring young players like Ken Venturi and Tom Watson, and working as a TV announcer.

Outlasted? Nelson hosted the tournament with his name on it, personally sending out letters of invitation and greeting players as they came off the course, until his death at 94 last spring. Beat that.

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Ben Hogan vs. Byron Nelson
Gary Van Sickle explains why Ben Hogan was better

By Gary Van Sickle
Senior Writer, Sports Illustrated
Published: October 02, 2007


In the first in a series of great golf arguments, we've asked Jim Gorant and Gary Van Sickle to debate who was the greater golfer: Byron Nelson or Ben Hogan. After reading their arguments, tell us what you think in our forum.

Golf is a marathon, not a sprint. Byron Nelson enjoyed the greatest year of golf. Ben Hogan had a better career.

There are no "what-ifs" allowed in this debate. What if Byron hadn't retired at age 34? There's no telling how many more tournaments he might have won but it doesn't matter. He did. What if Hogan didn't miss three years of golf while serving in the Army? What if Hogan hadn't nearly died in that infamous car crash? There's no telling how many more titles he would have won, or how many majors that accident cost him.

Instead, just look at the numbers. The fact is, Nelson's numbers don't stack up because he left the game early. Victories? It's Hogan 64, Nelson 52. And half of Nelson's total came in two years — 1944 and 1945 — when many top players were missing, including Hogan. Johnny Miller may have been the game's best player over a two-year span in the 1970s but a golfer is judged by his career and thus he's no match for Jack Nicklaus. While Nelson was nearly unbeatable for two full years, Hogan played longer and better and accomplished more. Major championships? The score reads: Hogan 9, Nelson 5. U.S. Opens? It's Hogan 4, Nelson 1. Hogan played 36 majors from 1939 through 1956. He won nine and finished second in six. Overall, he finished fifth or better in 25 of the 36.

Hogan was the game's ultimate shot-maker. Name the shot and the trajectory and Hogan could hit it. He had a great short game, which helped make up for ordinary putting that, in his later years, became atrocious. One apocryphal story was about Hogan hitting an iron shot onto a par-3 green and his playing companion asking him what club he'd hit. Hogan gave the man an icy stare, took another club and another ball from his caddie and hit it on the green. Then he did it again. And again until he'd used every iron in his bag to deposit a ball on the green. "Don't ever ask me that again!" Hogan barked.

Whether it's true or simply part of the Hogan myth, the point is this: The secret was in the dirt and Hogan dug it out. He won four U.S. Opens. it would've been five if not for Jack Fleck's heroic finish at the Olympic Club. He won his last tour title in 1959 at Colonial, and in 1960 at age 48, when he was basically retired, he made a strong run at Cherry Hills in the Open, finishing fifth. He won golf's triple crown in 1953 — the Masters, U.S. Open and, in his only attempt overseas, the British Open. He didn't try the PGA Championship throughout the 1950s because its grueling match-play format meant some 36-hole days, which his battered legs simply could not withstand.

Partly because of his mystique in later years and mostly because of his ball-striking skills, he was the most-feared player of his era. Hogan was the greatest shotmaker of his generation. Years later, Tommy Bolt was credited with saying, "All I know is that Nicklaus watches Hogan practice. I never heard of Hogan watching Nicklaus practice."

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I prefer Nelson's swing and personality.

Everyone knows that Sam Snead was the best golfer ever... Look at his stats.

If one were to arbitrarily ask golfers at a nearby range who's the best of all time, I doubt that Sam, Byron, or Ben wins. They'd battle it for third best. Probably a landslide to the tiger, tho the bear might have something to say about it.

Tiger gets my vote.
 
The man with the most amount of wins is the obvious choice for the best player ever. Tiger will takeover Snead's place in a few years.
 
wins are part of the equation. Snead for PGA is #1. Is he number one worldwide for pro tour wins? If not, does that make whomever (Nicklaus?) the best?

Majors, character, and impact on golf play a role as well, IMO...
 
My curiosity was spiked on who's won the most worldwide. Still don't know, but I read that Snead won over 150 times! I don't think traveling was as glamourous then as it is now. Remarkable. But the level of competitiion isn't what is now as it was then...

If it were the very best player in one year, I'll go with Nelson, even with the argument of a diluted field.

Birdie, so percentage of wins, huh?
 
We need someone with good math skills to determine the expected value that each player has entering a tourney. A players EV (expected value) would change based on who else is in the field and venue.

It would be neat to turn on TGC and see why X player is expected to win, top 5 or bubble based on pure stats.
 

Jim Kobylinski

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We need someone with good math skills to determine the expected value that each player has entering a tourney. A players EV (expected value) would change based on who else is in the field and venue.

It would be neat to turn on TGC and see why X player is expected to win, top 5 or bubble based on pure stats.

If i had all available data i could do an analysis and come up with a probability model.
 
Birdie, so percentage of wins, huh?

Ya man.....longetivity is important...................but you have to look at win ratio I think too.

I mean.......so a guy plays 100 tourneys over a 10 year career. (for example) He ends up winning 10 at the end of the end of his career.

Then another guy plays 50 over his 10 year career. He wins 8 or 9 or w/e.

Less wins........OK......but then comes the question: who is the better golfer? You can't just say the guy with more wins.

I don't have the stats but as I read Hogan played very few tournaments after his accident. (I'm thinkin under 10 a year) Quite a winning percentage if I remember right tho.

Even Tiger ain't playing that many right now.
 
1953

Ben Hogan had 64 career wins, but also consider:


Ben Hogan 1953: played in 6 Tournaments, 5 wins, including the Masters and US Open, one second place finish.

1951: played in 5 Tournaments, 3 wins including the Masters and US Open, fininshed 2nd and 4th in the other tourney's


That is pretty damn amazing.
 
BEN HOGAN

In 292 career PGA Tour events, Ben Hogan finished in the Top 3 in 47.6-percent of them. He finished in the Top 10 in 241 of those 292 events.

Hogan was, by most accounts, the greatest golfer of his time, and still stands as one of the greatest of all time. He is arguably the greatest ball-striker ever to play the game; even today, when a player is making great contact with the ball, the term "hitting it like Hogan" will be evoked.

His nine career professional Major Championships tie him (with Gary Player) for fourth all-time, trailing only Jack Nicklaus (18), Walter Hagen (13), and Tiger Woods (10).


The start statistics of Hogan’s career reveal very little of the legend. A total of sixty two USPGA titles and amongst major championships: four US Opens, two US Masters, two USPGA Championships and one British Open, is only half the story. Ben Hogan had so much more to overcome than most in his quest for golfing perfection; the early suicide of his father must have left a profound mark on a young boy, an unsuitably small frame for golf, near poverty for too many years to remember, a temperament completely unable to interact with the fawning galleries - lest it interfere with the shot at hand, (Hogan was no Trevino or Palmer in this regard) the head-on collision with a Greyhound bus and subsequent appalling injuries, embarrassing putting yips and a confounding hook that would rear its ugly head at crucial times in tournaments. For years he felt plagued by the hook and eventual disgust augmented the now famous change to the fade that made him in his best years - virtually invincible!

Hogan on the golf course exemplified grim determination and a fiercely Irish - American competitive nature. With head down, eyes focussed upon his shoe laces and invariably puffing on a long cigarette, Hogan housed a low regard for idle chit-chat on the course; as Lee Trevino quickly discovered during their first pairing. Discussions with fellow professionals, if any, were along the lines of, "Who’s away?" "What did you score?" He simply hated to lose and worse, hated to hit a golf shot that was even just a little off perfect. Hogan had schooled himself on the art of not so much ignoring the crowd, but simply not seeing them!

Ben Hogan on many occasions, as if by means of justifying this behaviour, said how he would have loved to have been ‘one of the boys’ and join the others in the grill, swapping tall stories and ‘beefing’ it up with galleries. For one short period he participated in this charade and realising the falseness and folly, dropped it for all time sake. Hogan was honest enough to admit he couldn’t play golf this way and didn’t pretend otherwise!

Whilst Ben Hogan was in the process of building his game, America was recovering from the depression years and as such, golf purses were small. The tour was more like a travelling carnival as it followed the sun from tour spot to tour spot. The professionals usually travelled together and in those days, pooled monies to assist each other. Golfers were keen to do well but not at the expense of their social life after the game; cards and partying being the norm. That is, until Ben Hogan made his mark. He became the first real practiser of note and later when asked how he learned his trade, gruffly replied, "I dug it out of the ground." Today of course, with bigger purses we take for granted the non-stop practising, but in the 1930’s and 40’s a man could get mighty lonely on the range. This suited Hogan just fine!

In essence, Ben Hogan really had two golf careers. The first one was the underwhelming winless years; 1931-39. (save for one fourball tournament with Vic Ghezzi). Invariably Hogan would turn up at a tournament with little money to speak of and experience real strain at the prospect of having to support his wife, Valerie. During an especially lean period, he entered one West Coast tourney with a bankroll of just 15 cents. At another tournament, Hogan took the opportunity of jumping the boundary fence of the golf course and skilfully stripped an orange tree of its fruit, returned and played on without allowing his group to fall too far behind. The Hogans lived on oranges for two weeks. Symbolising just how tough times were. Many of the less successful professionals were forced to give up the tour and indeed Hogan was not immune from this fate. On two separate occasions during the 1930’s, he returned to Fort Worth and took on a regular job as a croupier in a gaming house. Being the fanatical practiser he was, a few of his close friends jibed him that no doubt he took home his croupiers stick and practised the art until his hands bled.

When people talk of Hogan today, you can be sure it is the middle to latter career they refer to; the spectacularly successful period from 1940 onwards. Commencing this year, he took the golfing world apart and was always the man to beat. He was leading money winner in 1940, 1941, 1942, 1946 and 1948. The Vardon average, awarded for the lowest stroke average was his in 1940, 1941 and 1948. Interestingly, Hogan won his first Major title in 1946, at the comparatively late age of 34.

Hogan was dominating the tour but his immediate future was being shaped by a few men unacquainted with Hogan, in Berlin and Tokyo. He felt strongly that he should do his bit for ‘Uncle Sam’ an did so by enrolling in the US Air force. It galled Hogan considerably that his ex-friend from the caddie yard and fellow Texan, Byron Nelson was ruling golf with an iron hand. Nelson, was said to be dangerously Haemophiliac and therefore spared the tedium of National service. During Hogans absence from the tour, Nelson rewrote the record books with 1944 & 1945 crammed with victories and par shattering performances. To the public, Nelson became ‘Lord Nelson’ and newspaper people, eager to sell papers, proclaimed him ‘Mr Golf.’ All this had a tremendous motivating factor on Hogan, and upon his release in the latter part of 1945, reestablished his dominance very quickly with five victories. Said Hogan to his close friend Jimmy Demaret after shooting 27 under par at Portland and beating Nelson by 17 shots, "I guess that takes care of this Mr Golf business." Nelson retired within months to the cattle ranch he had long dreamed of and claimed was his reason for playing pro golf. Hogan continued his relentless march and in 1948 won 11 times with near perfect golf.

1949 promised to be another banner year with two fine opening tune ups. A playoff victory over Demaret in the Long Beach Open and the following week, another playoff with Demaret at Phoenix in the Arizona Open; this time losing to his good friend. Tired and needing to spend time in their new house, the Hogans left the tour and made their way back home. Heavy fog descended upon the West Texas Highway, and driving at 10 miles per hour, felt he was taking due care. Unfortunately as all golf fans know, a ten ton greyhound bus swerved suddenly towards Hogan’s car and a collision took place. In an ironic twist, an involuntary selfless movement saved his life. By throwing himself over Valerie in the passengers seat to protect her, he avoided the steering wheel which had whistled back and buried itself in the drivers seat. Hogan would surely have been impaled! For an extended period in hospital, Hogan barely clung to life and at times the Chief Surgeon, Alton Oschner felt he was losing the battle against a series of menacing and life threatening blood clots that had reached Hogan’s lungs. Importantly, he pulled through but was out of golf for eleven months. On his discharge, the golfing public were shocked to see photos of a gaunt, pale and desperately underweight Hogan. Two years out in the 1930’s so he could eat, two years for the war effort and now another year off to recover his strength after the accident. Is it any wonder the man liked to practice?

Upon much fanfare (something that Hogan really disliked) the 1950 season opened with his return to the tournament scene at Los Angeles. Still weak and light years away from his normally stout constitution, he somehow played well enough to force a play-off with ‘Slamming’ Sammy Snead. The Virginian hillbilly failed to read the script and won against a flagging opponent. It mattered little, Hogan was back. During the period of 1950-1953, Hogan scaled the golfing heights even more successfully than before the accident and won the bulk of his nine major titles.

Like Nick Faldo today, Hogan seemed to disdain the weekly grind and from 1950 preferred to concentrate on the Majors. He grew increasingly restless with second rate courses, often municipal ones that encouraged the pros to blast away. Coupled with the painful after-effects of the crash, Hogan began to ‘pick’ his tour spots and cut down appearances dramatically. This drew criticism from his fellow professionals, who felt as the dominant player, he should extend his presence to a still developing tour. In 1953 for instance, he played in only six tournaments and won five times - three being major victories!

With increasing age, a subtle but menacing change was taking place within the Hogan game. Once, the most reliable from eight feet and under, he now was exhibiting nerves on the greens and from time to time developed alarming cases of the yips. They would come and go, but as the premier ball striker, he was still capable of winning; the last coming in his favourite event - The Colonial Invitational in 1959. Nevertheless, after 1953 he never won another major with putting as the sole impediment. Twice he took three putts on the 72 nd hole in the US Open, where two putts would have secured playoffs.

Developing a terribly negative attitude towards the dilemma of putting, he actually campaigned for an increase in size of the golf cup; in part to reduce the emphasis that putting has on the game and also to reward the impressive ball strikers on tour for their efforts. He had supporters for this move but not enough power-brokers to see it occur. Such negativity with his putting occasionally spilled over to regrettable comments, such as his earnest remark to Billy Casper after he won the 1959 US Open at Winged Foot, New York. "If you couldn’t putt Billy, you would be outside the ropes selling hot-dogs for a living!" Casper was unimpressed.

Ben Hogan had a thorough knowledge of his game and through long hours on ‘Misery Hill’, developed a clinicians approach to the game. Nothing was left to chance and it was said he looked upon each course as an affront to his golfmanship. Sarcastically, rival jealous pros nicknamed him ‘The Surveyor’ and stung by the tag, claimed it a brutal tag to be placed upon a guy just trying to be the best he could be ! An example of his meticulous approach to golf is best illustrated by his sole appearance in the British Open, at Carnoustie in 1953. Having never used the British size 1.62 inch ball in competition, he gave himself two weeks to acclimatise to its different feel and extra distance obtainable. Used to the US size 1.68 inch ball, he was truly amazed at the extra 15 yards he gained with the long Irons. During one practice session, Hogan instructed his caddie Cecil Timms to stand on the green to observe and record what happened to the balls upon landing. In advance, Timms was told that the first ten balls will be landing in the front right portion of the green, second ten in the front left, next ten in the back right and so on. Imagine this preparation with a two iron; unusual today but it must have been unheard of in 1953.

In some quarters there has been unrest, alluding to the suggestion that perhaps Ben Hogan didn’t put as much back into the game as he should have. I have always felt this to be the harshest slur on Hogan’s character and surely these people were unaware of the extremely private nature of the man? Unlike the outgoing group of Jack Nicklaus, Gary Player and Arnold Palmer who have written collectively over twenty instructional books and many other types of golf books - Hogan simply didn’t feel the need to put pen to pad every two or three years. However, Hogan did write two masterpieces and unlike other famous golfers of the day, they were not ghost written! The well compiled ‘Power Golf’ first appeared in 1947 and then in 1957, came the blockbuster ‘The Modern Fundamentals Of Golf’ which still is the all-time highest selling golfing instruction book. It was here, he first illuminated us with the famous ‘pane of glass’ theory to assist golfers staying on their backswing plane. Today, swinging on plane is the cornerstone of much modern teaching.

Does the accusation of Hogan not putting enough back into the game, stand the test of scrutiny? I would say that to lend your name to the ‘Hogan’ tour for struggling or newer professionals in need of experience, was something special enough - as was the outstanding quality and reliability of the golf clubs Hogan’s company produced for the world golfers - as was the nurturing of a couple of young professionals he took under his wing; most notably Gardiner Dickinson who graduated to become a Tyder cup star with the US team. Surely, the demanding exercise of being US Ryder Cup Captain on two occasions is proof enough that he did his share? But yes, he was roundly criticised for resisting all attempts to get him swinging on the Seniors tour; still, a chronic yiper in the pre broomstick era had his pride! In the highly commercial American world, some people forget that it’s okay to be introverted and Hogan was plainly introverted. He shunned publicity at all costs and yet if persuaded the cause was just, spoke eloquently and at times, even humorously.

Where does Hogan rank amongst golfers? As anyone knows, comparing sportsmen from different eras is a futile effort and statistics along cannot be conclusive. However when people sit around and ponder the ‘greatest ever’ golfer, three names should never be omitted from any ones ‘short’ list! Bobby Jones - the most successful ever amateur and possibly the greatest of all, winning 13 major championships before retiring at 28 years of age. If natural brilliance and denomination of an era is to be measured, look no further. Jack Nicklaus, second on the all-time USPGA tour victories and holder of 20 major titles. If Majors tally alone is the criteria, Nicklaus is your man. What of Ben Hogan? He won 62 PGA tours events - third on the all-time list; inc nine majors. If you place credence upon a golfers courage ‘under fire’, ability to overcome injury, set-backs, achieve greatness after virtually no amateur career to speak of, to be able to win majors approaching the forbidden age of 40 years and beyond with infirmities, Hogan will get your vote. Tommy Bolt, a contemporary of Hogan’s was asked once to decide between Nicklaus and Hogan. After a short lull he stated, "Well now, I’ve seen Big Jack watch Ben Hogan practice on many occasions but I’ve never seen Hogan watch Nicklaus. Does that answer your question?" Nicklaus himself had the ultimate respect for Hogan and said, "As a young college golfer, it was the record of Bobby Jones that I most tried to emulate, but I wanted to do it Hogan’s way; fading the ball from left to right. The argument of ‘greatest ever’ will never be settled but Ben Hogan remains the most ruthlessly accurate ‘shotmaker’ the world has ever known. With precision as his trademark, he more closely courted ‘perfection’ than any golfer, before or since! Rest in peace ‘Mr Hogan’.



Major Championships
9
• Masters: 1951, 1953
• U.S. Open: 1948, 1950, 1951, 1953
• British Open: 1953
• PGA Championship: 1946, 1948

Awards and Honors
• Member, World Golf Hall of Fame
• PGA Tour money leader 5 times
• PGA Tour Vardon Trophy winner 1940, 1941, 1948
• PGA Tour Player of the Year 1948, 1950, 1951, 1953
• Member of 2 U.S. Ryder Cup teams
• Captain, U.S. Ryder Cup team, 1947, 1949, 1967

Quote
• Ben Hogan: "I hate a hook. It nauseates me. I could vomit when I see one. It's like a rattlesnake in your pocket."
• Ben Hogan: "I play with friends, but we don't play friendly games."

• Dave Marr: "Hogan plays one game and the rest of us play another."

Trivia
• Ben Hogan's first PGA Tour event was the 1932 Los Angeles Open. He finished 38th to win $8.50.
• Hogan won 30 tournaments before winning his first major (1946 PGA Championship). That's the record for most wins prior to a first major.



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BYRON NELSON

Nelson's is a remarkable story. He grew up close to Ben Hogan and both men caddied at the same golf club. Where it was said they squared off for the club's caddie championship in 1927, with Nelson winning.

Although Nelson turned professional in 1932, it would be five years before he won his first Major, the US Masters Championship . To confirm his arrival, he was selected for that year's Ryder Cup squad.

While the pre-war period was good to Nelson, his career really took off during the war. While Hogan and many of the other top professionals were sent off to war, Nelson was forced to stay home because it took his blood 13 minutes instead of 2 to congeal. During the 1940s, he played in 133 tournaments and was in the money list in every one of them. At that time that meant the top 10. He had 11 consecutive wins in 1945 and won the PGA Championship. He was also that year's leading money earner.

Starting in 1942 and ending in 1946, Byron Nelson finished in the Top 10 in 65 consecutive tournaments. Over that full time period, Nelson finished out of the Top 10 only once, winning 34 times and finishing second 16 more times.
Nelson's 1945 season is the best ever by a male golfer. He won 18 times, including 11 tournaments in a row. He did it with a 68.33 stroke average that was not bested for another 55 years.

The story goes that his wife suggested that he played goal in order to raise the money to buy their own ranch rather than touch their savings. Nelson achieved that goal in 1946 . He played his last tournament in 1955. Since retiring from competitive golf, he has been a commentator and teacher. One of his protégés is Tom Watson.


Tour Victories
54

Major Championships
5
• Masters: 1937, 1942
• U.S. Open: 1939
• PGA Championship: 1940, 1945

Awards and Honors
• Member, World Golf Hall of Fame
• Associated Press Male Athlete of the Year, 1944 and 1945
• PGA Tour Vardon Trophy winner, 1939
• PGA Tour leading money winner, 1944, 1945
• Member of 2 U.S. Ryder Cup teams
• Captain, U.S. Ryder Cup team, 1965

Quote
• Byron Nelson: "Every great player has learned the two Cs: how to concentrate and how to maintain composure."

• Byron Nelson: "Putting affects the nerves more than anything. I would actually get nauseated over three-footers."

• Ken Venturi: "You can always argue who was the greatest player, but Byron is the finest gentleman the game has ever known."

• Arnold Palmer: "Byron Nelson accomplished things on the pro tour that never have been and never will be approached again."


Trivia
• "Byron" is actually his middle name. His full name is John Byron Nelson Jr.

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<It's the basis of the modern motion and the model for the swing machine known as Iron Byron, an ironic nod to one of the game's sweetest and least mechanical swings. With the exception of Chad Campbell, not many pros swing like Hogan anymore. >

Most pros use essentially the same swing model as Hogan, they just don't look as good nor are they quite as refined. Hogan, rightfully, should be known as the father of the modern golf swing, not Nelson. So, the above analysis is simply wrong.
 
Most pros use essentially the same swing model as Hogan, they just don't look as good nor are they quite as refined. Hogan, rightfully, should be known as the father of the modern golf swing, not Nelson. So, the above analysis is simply wrong.
David, explain yourself there. How can you tell more pros today use the "Hogan pattern" rather than the "Nelson pattern"? Define your terms.

Thanks :)
 

Jim Kobylinski

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David, explain yourself there. How can you tell more pros today use the "Hogan pattern" rather than the "Nelson pattern"? Define your terms.

Thanks :)

Yes please; the only person on tour who remotely looks like Hogan is Chad Campbell. The remaining look more like a classic double shifting Nelson.
 
the hogan with a longer backswing (younger hogan/power golf hogan/pre-accident hogan) also double shifted however.
 

Jim Kobylinski

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the hogan with a longer backswing (younger hogan/power golf hogan/pre-accident hogan) also double shifted however.

True, many current tour players look like THAT version of Hogan, but when most people speak of Hogan they are talking about the post-accident pattern.
 
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