Natural hanging of arms, knuckle counts

[KOC]

I have a question regarding the GRIP…What I learnt or perceived is that when we are holding with a neutral grip, the back of the left hand mirror the clubface. It is also a good way to take the grip at IMPACT FIX as suggested by TGM instructors and Brian like to use the leading edge to match the watch good image.

However, what if my arms hanging freely (with golf posture) so that you can see both my hands with only TWO knuckles while golfer next to me with FOUR knuckles?

His left Hand is in “turn” position; right hands in “roll” position. How to grip neutrally for these guy next to me?

THX!

 

[Bigwill]

I'm "that guy"; I'm interested in the response on this one as well.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Nothing Natural about Golf.

Ahhh,

The "Knuckle hangers." Or the "how you hand and arm ahngers."

THIS IS ALL TOTAL AND COMPLETE JUNK!!!!!

Noone—and I mean NOBODY—has the left arm hang naturally in a Ben Hogan Left Hand Grip condition. I am playing golf today with a renown Orthopedic Specialist. I will ask him, but trust me, I am correct.

Oh, btw, this Orthopedic Specialist, is a ZERO handicapper, and his left hand grip is WEAKER that Nicklaus'.

Listen folks, you need to play with the grip that works for you pattern. I have FIX SOOOooooooo many slicers with a grip WEAKER than they used, that it OBVIOUSLY has more to do with HOW YOU USE THE LEFT HAND, than any BS hand/arm hang.

Whew!

 

[JeffM]

Brian

I agree with you that the way the arm hangs has no proven biomechancal connection with the way the hands should be placed on the grip.

However, there is one anatomical fact that may interest you, and I would like your opinion on this point. If one fully supinates the left forearm with the hand held in front of the body and the elbow bent at 90 degrees, then the left palm will face the sky. If one fully pronates the left forearm, then the back of the left hand will face the sky. The neutral position, which is halfway between pronation and supination, is when the left thumb faces the sky and the palm is perpendicular to the ground. From an anatomical perspective, this could be perceived to be a neutral position, when the pronator/supinator muscles in the forearm are most relaxed, and where the range of motion, in terms of pronation/supination, is optimal - because the wrist can easily, and freely, supinate/pronate in either direction.

Therefore, I could argue that the neutral position of the hand when it comes to gripping a golf club starts off with the palm of the hand perpendicular to the ground and the thumb facing the sky. What do you think of this anatomically-based argument?

Jeff.

 

[Wolfman]

Manzella Matrix and Biomechanics

What would neutral be for someone who doesn't have an equal amount of supination and pronation of the forearm as you suggest?

For example, if a right handed golfer had less supination (the palm does not get completely horizontal) than pronation - does he/she then have more difficulty squaring up the clubfact after impact?

Does this require a grip change or a more forward ball position than "normal"?

How does this change the components of your pattern (or where in the Manzella matrix does this fit?)

 

[JeffM]

Wolfman

I cannot understand why a person, who is free of physical disease-disability, should have a limited range of pronation and/or supination.

Jeff.

 

[Wolfman]

Pronation/supination

Because the human body is not symmetrical. Unless one works on making it so.

If you did a poll of people on this forum - everyone did your little forearm roll exercise - very few would have the same amount of "free/unforced" supination as pronation.

 

[Michael Jacobs]

Ideally Hands would be vertical --------

Grip must match the stroke pattern

For a basic pattern grip can be Simplified as follows ---

Grab a suit case with your left hand

A yard stick with your right

 

[Bill Miracle]

So,

How did you play against Dr. Klienart (grin)?????? And, did he wear his Bionic Glove?

 

[JeffM]

Wolfman

It doesn't have to be perfectly equal to be neutral. Consider another anatomical fact. With the left palm perpendicular to the ground, and the left thumb up, the radius and ulna are parallel to each other in the lower half of the forearm, and the radius is vertically above the ulna, without one bone being rolled over the other.

Jeff.

 

[puttmad]

Jeff,
When you put the fleshy part of the heel of your left hand on the club, after curling your fingers around the grip, the left forearm slightly pronates, thus the grip is not technically neutral at address, it is slightly strong...

 

[Brian Manzella]

Do you guys realize that nobody can follow half of your posts?

YIKES!!!

Listen, the THREAD is about "arm hang=left hand grip rotation OR NOT."

The EXPERTS have spoken.

the answer is NOT!

 

[birdie_man]

Ideally Hands would be vertical --------

Grip must match the stroke pattern

For a basic pattern grip can be Simplified as follows ---

Grab a suit case with your left hand

A yard stick with your right

That's pretty good.....

Vertical/Vertical.....WITH left arm Flying Wedge and flat left wrist. (c/o THE BRIEFCASE)

Also a massive "clubface."

Nice....