Soft Draw Poster Boy?

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jeffreycharris

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I know this has probably been answered elsewhere, and I know that Snead and Nicklaus are two models--but who on tour right now, is the soft draw poster boy?
 
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GPM1985

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Villegas's downswing doesn't look like it could produce a draw. He goes left pretty hard and kind of holds on.

I think VJ looks SD-ish here, but I'm no expert.
 
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jeffreycharris said:
I know this has probably been answered elsewhere, and I know that Snead and Nicklaus are two models--but who on tour right now, is the soft draw poster boy?
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Nicklaus is if you give him more mid-body hands at address, slightly stronger grip, and soft left wrist at the top. And aim him a little more right with the ball slightly more back in his stance.

Other guys with patterns similar to Soft Draw would be: Geoff Ogilvy (toss poster boy), Vaughn Taylor (great counterfall), and Retief Goosen.
 
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GPM1985 said:
Villegas's downswing doesn't look like it could produce a draw. He goes left pretty hard and kind of holds on.

I think VJ looks SD-ish here, but I'm no expert.
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Wow his backswing looks better than it used too. Backswing is definitely SD (hands don't move "in" quite enough, but that's nitpicky), but I'm not expert enough to judge the rest though. He swings a little too left to be "pure" soft draw.
 
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Da Patterns...Da Patterns...

It should be noted, that I do not use a player's golf swing as a model to develop my patterns.

They always arise out of the three BIGGIES:

1. Need to solve a problem
2. Evolution of the Golfers I see
3. Evolution of my ideas

For instance, the Soft Fade Pattern arose out of a lesson with of a student who was fixed using NHA2, but didn't like the pattern no matter how well it worked.

It always amazes me when we find golfers DOING the pattern, which to me, is sort of neat.

Anyhoo,

Soft Draw-ish....

Camillio:

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Goosen:

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just watched his swing. high-ish right elbow, soft left wrist, ATL at the top, big SORF takeaway pivot, looks like a toss release move, and similar club position when the club gets to parallel on the forward side as goosen and camillio
 
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holeout

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pecky987 said:
just watched his swing. high-ish right elbow, soft left wrist, ATL at the top, big SORF takeaway pivot, looks like a toss release move, and similar club position when the club gets to parallel on the forward side as goosen and camillio
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Hands don't go in at ALL on the takeaway, downswing has mucho carry and he swings way way left. Soft left wrist at the top is part of NHA, too. Watch him again...

(he hits a huge fade, btw)
 
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pecky987 said:
this seems pretty SD to me Cabrera, Angel | Driver | Swing | Video | Wide Divots look at him step on that right foot to start the swing. and a LCT. and the high right elbow. and the counterfall.

as does this. Angel Cabrera | Driver | Swing | Video | Wide Divots agreed hands dont move in as much but he has a high rigt elbow all thru the backswing and doesnt swing very far left at all by the looks of it.

even if it aint a SD model, its one of my favourite swings
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I think holeout and pecky are both right. The rhythm of the swing, the position at the top of the backswing, the counterfall, and, to an extent, the finish, are all SD. But the beginning of the backswing is VERY NHA, and he obviously swings way more left than SD.

It seems to me that this just shows that the components Brian teaches can work in multiple patterns. And that a VERY good pattern (i.e. US Open-winning) can be built from components that come from different patterns in the matrix.

I have recently found that for me, using the SD pattern, I hit MUCH better shots if I substitute a bit of "wedding ring up" swivel in the place where Brian teaches the toss and the point. I tend to flip it if I think about tossing it and if I think about wedding ring up I get a nice flat left wrist and a much more orthodox release (that is, I'm not *really* getting to wedding ring up, but the feel helps me a lot).

One question/possible theory about Cabrera. I wonder if it's a question of the transition, and whether one NEEDS an SD backswing to get on an inside path coming down. That is, if I took it back "up the wall" I'd get VERY steep coming down. I need absolutely NO popout in order to come at the ball from the inside with a more shallow angle of attack. Obviously this isn't a problem for Angel: he takes it back up the wall but has no problem coming at it from the inside.
 
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