Swing Overhaul
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They all make changes for the better in some part of their game. Hanging with other champions WILL change you.
They asked Tom Watson why people were hitting the ball farther he said something like --
50% Ball
40%clubs
10% stronger
0% instuction
I believe if the famous teachers were more versed in Homer"s work that Watson's credit to teacher's would be higher.
The famous teacher's are good at just that--- GETTING FAMOUS.
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I think he tried to make changes in search of the old "extra distance" and just totally fell off the planet.
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Baker-Finished did something that is very dangerous sometimes...
He actually DID what the Leadbetter camp told him to do.
He actually DID what the Leadbetter camp told him to do.
Charles Howell started working with Leadbetter after the 2001 season during which he earned a spot on the Tour through exemptions.
In the words of Leadbetter, "Most people need more lag -- with Charles, we're trying to de-lag him somewhat."
2002 - 9th on the money list.
2003 - 14th
2004 - 33rd and missed the Tour Championship
De-lagging a golf swing is beyond absurd.
In the words of Leadbetter, "Most people need more lag -- with Charles, we're trying to de-lag him somewhat."
2002 - 9th on the money list.
2003 - 14th
2004 - 33rd and missed the Tour Championship
De-lagging a golf swing is beyond absurd.
When Leadbetter talks about Lag, I'm pretty sure he is talking about #2 Accumulator lag, or what is often called a "delayed" or "late" hit. For some reason, he wants Charles to have a little less forward leaning shaft. I believe he thinks this is easier to time.
I suppose one could get too much forward lean, but I'm sure it is a seldom, or rarely seen thing. Even if one had enough to excessively deloft their clubs, they could just get more lofted clubs.
I suppose one could get too much forward lean, but I'm sure it is a seldom, or rarely seen thing. Even if one had enough to excessively deloft their clubs, they could just get more lofted clubs.
Sergio has been working on getting less lag. It seems to start working for him now.
Thomas Bjorn started this season wanting to play more on the US tour. Starting out with a couple of good results. Then by suggestion of his good friend Darren Clarke went to see Butch Harmon. After that everything fell apart. He missed the cut in all the majors. He seems to be recovering now after he went back to his old coach Pete Cowan.
Thomas Bjorn started this season wanting to play more on the US tour. Starting out with a couple of good results. Then by suggestion of his good friend Darren Clarke went to see Butch Harmon. After that everything fell apart. He missed the cut in all the majors. He seems to be recovering now after he went back to his old coach Pete Cowan.
lag,
Yes, were talking #2 lag. A more forward leaning shaft is not the same thing as max lag #2 though. You can have a forward leaning shaft with very little #2 lag. And you can have a lot of #2 lag, and then quit, and get the clubhead passing the hands at impact.
Before Leadbetter, when Howell's hands reached his right thigh on the downswing, his shaft was still 30 degs ABOVE horizontal! The "normal" pro position is horizontal or a little above. By the time Howell's hands were above the ball, the clubhead was still about 4' from the ball. Then after another 2"-3" of hand movement, impact occured, giving a slightly forward leaning shaft with the driver. You can see this at golfdigest.com under swing sequences. You can step through the swing using the playbar. This lag is why the anemic looking Howell can generate so much head speed and no competent instructor would ever try to reduce it.
Yes, were talking #2 lag. A more forward leaning shaft is not the same thing as max lag #2 though. You can have a forward leaning shaft with very little #2 lag. And you can have a lot of #2 lag, and then quit, and get the clubhead passing the hands at impact.
Before Leadbetter, when Howell's hands reached his right thigh on the downswing, his shaft was still 30 degs ABOVE horizontal! The "normal" pro position is horizontal or a little above. By the time Howell's hands were above the ball, the clubhead was still about 4' from the ball. Then after another 2"-3" of hand movement, impact occured, giving a slightly forward leaning shaft with the driver. You can see this at golfdigest.com under swing sequences. You can step through the swing using the playbar. This lag is why the anemic looking Howell can generate so much head speed and no competent instructor would ever try to reduce it.
MizunoJoe,
I agree with what you say. Tom Watson, for example, has a nearly sweep release, but still has a good impact condition. Julius Boros had a fairly late release, but broke down right after impact.
I saw Charley's swing on video at around 15 years old, and it was excellent... good #2 lag(small pulley), and good forward lean at impact. He weighed, I would guess, around 90lbs., and could fly the ball around 240 or 250 with a range ball.
I think for a while he would see Leadbetter, and at times G. Kelnhofer. Leadbetter would reduce the #2lag and forward lean, and then George would put it back in.
I agree with what you say. Tom Watson, for example, has a nearly sweep release, but still has a good impact condition. Julius Boros had a fairly late release, but broke down right after impact.
I saw Charley's swing on video at around 15 years old, and it was excellent... good #2 lag(small pulley), and good forward lean at impact. He weighed, I would guess, around 90lbs., and could fly the ball around 240 or 250 with a range ball.
I think for a while he would see Leadbetter, and at times G. Kelnhofer. Leadbetter would reduce the #2lag and forward lean, and then George would put it back in.
run,
The angle measures the degree of #2 accumulator(wristcock). The more acute the angle is at release point, the more #2 "lag potential".
Howell does have a more acute angle than Brian. And, Howell holds his wristcock deeper into the downswing for a auto snap release, but Howell is Swinging while Brian is Hitting with a non-auto(I think) sweep release.
The angle measures the degree of #2 accumulator(wristcock). The more acute the angle is at release point, the more #2 "lag potential".
Howell does have a more acute angle than Brian. And, Howell holds his wristcock deeper into the downswing for a auto snap release, but Howell is Swinging while Brian is Hitting with a non-auto(I think) sweep release.
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