Here's the issue - i think, when I hit short pitch shots with the face square they are more like chips - they don't get a lot of hight and they get quite a bit of roll (almost 1 to .5). If I open the face and hit a lob shot with my 52*, it's like day and night difference. I can hit short pitches (20' or less) better with face open on my 52* wedge than with my 58* sitting square. Worse, I'm more consistent and more comfortable with the open face lob shot than a short pitch. Is this normal? Is there a way to get these short pitches up in the air more or to have the ball check up more? Why am I more consistent with a lob shot than a pitch on short shots?
Wedge Shots - Pitch/Lob
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Damon Lucas
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I would check out some of the discussions on Brian's 'mid sole pitch'.
I think that there is a bigger margin for error, it is more useful for more types of lies, and requires less work.
Opening the face increases the 'bounce' a bit. I would also ckeck the bounce on your wedges.
I think that there is a bigger margin for error, it is more useful for more types of lies, and requires less work.
Opening the face increases the 'bounce' a bit. I would also ckeck the bounce on your wedges.
Kevin Shields
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I agree. I've played alot of pitches with an open stance,open face,and a little shaft lean to counter the added bounce. It's a very normal way to pitch the ball.
I don't think it's the wedges. I play with Scratch TNC grind wedges. I've got a 58* Vokey w/ high bounce and it does the same thing except I can't hit lob shots as well with it (I have a tendency to blade the ball when trying.) I think the grind on the TNC wedges helps out a lot when laying the face open (atleast for me it does.) I'm going to look up the 'mid sole pitch.'
From a post by Tongzilla:
"Imagine pitching on concrete ground. A "leading edge" pitch would create scratch marks towards the leading edge of the sole of the clubhead. A "mid sole" pitch would create scratch marks more towards the middle of the sole, hence the clubshaft slightly less forward leaning at impact."
So basically try to get the bottom of the club sliding on the ground? So I need to come in behind the ball and hit the ground first? I feel some bladed shots in my near future...
"Imagine pitching on concrete ground. A "leading edge" pitch would create scratch marks towards the leading edge of the sole of the clubhead. A "mid sole" pitch would create scratch marks more towards the middle of the sole, hence the clubshaft slightly less forward leaning at impact."
So basically try to get the bottom of the club sliding on the ground? So I need to come in behind the ball and hit the ground first? I feel some bladed shots in my near future...
Re-watched "over and out" specifically the end. I think I got it. Did some practice in the living room and surprisingly I was hitting some nice short pitches that were not only consistent but they were landing where I was aiming. I think I understand the mid sole thing now. Just need to head out to the range and practice it for real.
Thank you Damon for the suggestion...
Thank you Damon for the suggestion...
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Jim Kobylinski
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I kinda like the leading edge pitch. I think of it as a chip/pitch. I only use the mid sole when there isn't enough room to let the ball run out, but more room than would require a flop.
I truly believe in the idea that in the short game, more ground time is better, when it is reasonable. Shoot, sometimes I play a bump and run instead of a flop, and a flop is my best short game shot! I just think playing too many flops or even mid sole pitches could make some bad habits creep into my swing.
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Couldn't you just move the ball closer to or at low point to hit a softer pitch?
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