Has the way golf courses are set up changed the need for as much forward lean?

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Just slowly making my way through the downloaded show....

Is it true that todays modern hard greens set up for the pros has brought about the need for this higher, lower spin shots that stop on a green that a "mashed" high spinning shot wouldn't?

Is this why so many guys struggled at the British Open (they couldn't hit it the "old" way)?
 
Just slowly making my way through the downloaded show....

Is it true that todays modern hard greens set up for the pros has brought about the need for this higher, lower spin shots that stop on a green that a "mashed" high spinning shot wouldn't?

Is this why so many guys struggled at the British Open (they couldn't hit it the "old" way)?

no.
 
Not sure about spin because it adds stoppage too but"

"Has the way golf courses are set up changed the need for as much forward lean?"

I would have to think yes, wd.
 

Jim Kobylinski

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No, i don't think so. Sergio still mashes the hell out of it and he almost won the british, hits it lower than almost everyone and also almost won the barclays.
 
Sergio's nickname should be almost won.

I would take a high floater onto a hard green over a low spinner. I can only think of two times when a low spinner would be the ideal shot:

1) In the wind
2) When the hole is towards the front of the green with plenty of room to spin the ball back.

I would rather have it soar and drop.
 
Good players don't hit "high floaters." Elevation is a function of backspin and clubhead speed. Sure, you can flip an iron shot a bit and hoist it, but it won't help you keep a ball on a tournament hardened green. It will help you hit it back over the trees from another fairway!

Good strikers stop the ball on hard greens by beating the crap out of the ball, maximizing the spin that is a by product of good impact conditions. If the green is hard I am always going to hit the less of any "tweener" I might have.

Full swing (high clubhead speed) + solid impact on a tight lie = high spinning ball flight that will hold all but the most severe greens.

Venturi quoted Hogan once and I think about this all the time when playing approach shots. "Hit full shots into front pins so the ball stops and hit knock down shots into back pins and let the ball release from the middle of the green."

Of course I'm not talking about "Country Club" fast and soft greens. I'm talking about hard "I can't find my ball mark" greens.

"low spinners" (aka Trevino spinning wedge) with anything other than a lofted wedge really aren't spinning that much. Low shots by nature (ie; low 7 or 6 iron) are hit with a little "off speed" action which reduces spin and keeps the ball down a bit. The thing that helps these shots stay on the green is generally the wind you are hitting into.
 
I don't think it matters if you mash or bring in high as long as you know what you're doing and do it consistently. Like CR says, bring it in low and release to the pin, bring it in high and land it closer to the pin with less release. You can score either way.


Myself I like to bring the ball in low. If I have more backspin, I'm likely to have less sidespin:)
 
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