I've messed myself up.

[dsmith2296]

I have hit 3,000+ balls over the last two months with this video in mind:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL_6M_xZvq0[/media]

listen to th 18 -35 second interval, freezing the frame at the 31 second mark.

I think this elbow action helped me get that max trigger delay 'look' but I am really struggling with hard push hooks, as I have a really strong left hand grip and my left wrist bends. I can hit a hight straight push if I add a bunch of axis tilt, but the pattern is just unacceptable.

Is this a unique Hogan move that fits with his pattern or is it recommended procedure in general?

 

[savydan]

d,

I'd go back to what I mentioned earlier when you posted your swings.

You pick up and re-plant your left foot in the beginning of the downswing. I think the loss of leverage results in an inconsistant low point in your swing.

You mentioned that you were playing through a severe ankle sprain. Are you at the point where you could put some clockwise torque in the ground with your left foot to stabilize your left side base?

I know you are searching for answers in your wrists and elbows, and now what Hogan does. I see an issue in your pivot stability.

 

[curtisj76]

I would pick a different video to study. It's been "proven" that what Hogan SAID and DID were different. Trolio wrote a book about it and Brian mentioned a little bit about it in I think NHA2.0.

PS Why don't you just watch one of Brian's dvd's and hit thousands of balls? Hogan is dead and couldn't answer a question if you had it. Brian/other instructors are here right now waiting to help you. JMO

 

[dsmith2296]

Perhaps I can convey my question a little better by showing this clip of Furyk:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQCCqGgs_2k[/media]

Now forget about Furyk's funky backswing-- he's always been complimented on his impact position. He gets his HANDS really close to his right hip on the way down, whereas by emulating the Hogan clip above, I "elbow" myself in the right ribs with the right elbow and while doing so, my hands necessarily are put on a flatter plane and are forced to pass the right hip at a much greater distance.

So I guess the elbow should tuck BEHIND the right hip, rather than in FRONT of it?

Does my question even make sense to anyone?

 

[dbl]

In the tgm world, elbow ahead of hip would be 'pitch elbow' and behind would likely be 'punch elbow.'

I'm not sure the malady you are trying to fix with the elbow thoughts..flatnesss?

I would say you can be flat with either, but probably punch ~would~ tend to be less flat...but I think you'd have to change lots of other components just to get the punch elbow in the downswing.

 

[birdie_man]

Accute Hogan-itis!

Egad!

I like Hogan but...bewaaaaare...

 

[Jared Willerson]

Dude...I did this same thing, and...You. Are. Wasting. Your. Time.

That kind of max accum lag is developed as a kid...not 35 year olds. Believe me, you can still have one hell of a dynamic swing, but, you will never have that max lag look without it appearing obviously forced.

I am starting to feel sorry for you.

 

[dsmith2296]

Dude...I did this same thing, and...You. Are. Wasting. Your. Time.

That kind of max accum lag is developed as a kid...not 35 year olds. Believe me, you can still have one hell of a dynamic swing, but, you will never have that max lag look without it appearing obviously forced.

I am starting to feel sorry for you.

Don't want or need pitty- just want to get back on track man. Funny though that you said that about developing the swing as a kid-- I started all of this when Brian posted my 5 year old boy on the "Pull back, Run and Jump" thread. I figured if my boy could do it, I should be able to to. Somehow that devolved into me trying to attain max trigger delay.

I believe I am using a TGM "pitch elbow" pattern, but I don't have the book anymore, so I'm not sure. But if anybody remembers my first post on this was that my pattern was great for wedge shots but not for the longer clubs. I am now realizing that I should not use a pitch elbow on a 3-iron or driver.

But I digress.....I agree in the diagnosis of the problem- really more interested in a cure though. I have ingrained this move so much, my right elbow wants to fold and lead the downswing and I am all out of sorts. Any instructional feedback would be appreciated.

 

[Jared Willerson]

I didn't mean I felt sorry for you in a bad way. I did this same journey. Wanted max trigger delay and lag so much I could taste it and to be honest I still have to watch myself when I practice in the mirror not to want to try to force myself into those positions.

Lag is dead sexy, but I just can't do it without it being unnatural. BTW, the run up and jump move can be done very well without accum lag. Just look at guys like Romero, Mackenzie and Tom Watson. None of them have a huge angle but do the move very well. Danny Lee and McIlroy are others that don't have a ton of angle, but are very dynamic.