The forgotten fundamental

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birdie_man

birdie_man

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Kevin or another MGA instructor...

We all know lifting the heel allows a longer backswing...

Do you think it allows stronger kinetic chain snapping?

It must yes?

More "run up?"
 
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I will take the stance that I think it must compromise accuracy somewhat.

How much (if at all) is the question. (+ potential distance gains)

I assume it must not increase accuracy anyhow. (though who knows)
 
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Kevin Shields

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birdie_man said:
Kevin or another MGA instructor...

We all know lifting the heel allows a longer backswing...

Do you think it allows stronger kinetic chain snapping?

It must yes?

More "run up?"
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But first it allows more "pull back" to get more "run up".

Again, to be clear, i dont think anyone around here would say EVERYBODY needs it.
 
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Kevin Shields

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birdie_man said:
I will take the stance that I think it must compromise accuracy somewhat.

How much (if at all) is the question. (+ potential distance gains)

I assume it must not increase accuracy anyhow. (though who knows)
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I really cant see any reason in the world why it would compromise accuracy.
 
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Kevin Shields said:
I really cant see any reason in the world why it would compromise accuracy.
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Slightly was being devil's advocate (like in ggssbc's signiture) of course but perhaps will post later.

(spaghetti supper at grandparents)

(and my grandpa makes hands down the best spaghetts in the world)

:)
 
cal7426

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I've been fiddlin' with this all day. I try to employ the NHA2.0 pattern and I've found the re-planting of the left heel is a big help with the "carry" element of the pattern.
 
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Kevin Shields

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birdie_man said:
Slightly was being devil's advocate (like in ggssbc's signiture) of course but perhaps will post later.

(spaghetti supper at grandparents)

(and my grandpa makes hands down the best spaghetts in the world)

:)
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I know the further south you go the sauce gets a little weaker. But north....hmmm. Will be in Toronto in July. Noodles anyone?
 
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puttmad

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softconsult said:
"Guys,
Lifting the left heel isn't the cause of "lifting" in the backswing...That is caused by irregular control of left knee bend (left hip too high at the top) and/or lack of left upper body compression ...it is pure mechanics really...to maintain correct "address" height any extended joint left-side, must be counteracted by compression of an alternate left-side joint....make sense?....
Take MA re the accuracy thing...he was long AND extremely accurate, AND he raised his left heel (and right heel on the downswing) a bunch.....

It is also better for your lower back to allow the heel raise (allows your hips to turn more)...
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Make sense? Perhaps, but I have to tell you, that paragraph is hopeless relative to successful communication. Whatever happened to sentence structure, grammar, punctuation, and capitalization. Additionally, it would be helpful if you, and others, would avoid the use of obscure abbreviations. You may know who MA refers to, but I have no clue.

I'm certain you won't like my criticism, but perhaps you should think about it.
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Sorry sc, oh sorry, I meant softconsult....

Oh, and I am pretty good at English Grammar.....but it is pretty normal to abbreviate during posts as long as you get the gist of it over to the other person, plus which, I post as if I am in natural speech, face-to-face and proper grammar tends to go out the window then.
Yes MA is Mike Austin (I thought everyone had that one by now), and (of course) re. (sorry I forgot the full stop (period to you)), means "regarding"...

Its just the way I post sc...never had any "grammar" complaints before, so I think you may just be being picky....you got the point tho ( sorry "though") so where does, "that paragraph is hopeless relative to successful communication" come into it.......:):):):):):)

Oh, and by the way, did you really post this and then pull me on my grammar skills:
"For a certain pattern that helps alot of people, i like to see the hands move in and up. Then at the top, imagine ur hands slide down a wall while you work the clubhead off the wall." (But I DID understand what you meant...:):))
 
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Hello puttmad,

In my opinion, you are not pretty good at English grammar. However, that really wasn't my point. My point was that I have no idea what you are trying to explain in your original post. This is because of the dis-jointed way you wrote the your words. The abbreviation issue is certainly not limited to your specific post.

At the end of this post you quote a paragraph from another one of my posts.
What you not are realizing is that those words are from one of Kevin's posts. I should have made the source more clear, but I was asking him for clarification immediately after he posted. His words illustrate the difficulty of communicating a concept using the written word.
 
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Brian Manzella

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The Left Heel.

I think that one day, the "Pull Back, Run Up, & Jump" will be taught by every smart golf teacher.

It is OBVIOUSLY correct, and the fact that folks like Nicklaus & Snead did it so much, and played well so long, should make it mandatory for study—at least.

Now, the left heel can stay still and get the lower two PB, RU, & J segments "pulled back"—so to speak.

One of the MAIN TENETS OF THE MANZELLA PREFERRED PATTERNS is getting the weight OFF THE LEFT FOOT early in the backswing.

The opposite is being taught right now, lots of places.

I love it.

More for me!
 
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This one was great too....Queen of American Golf.

Left Toe, Right Toe...measured 307 yards in 1930s

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puttmad

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softconsult said:
Hello puttmad,

In my opinion, you are not pretty good at English grammar. However, that really wasn't my point. My point was that I have no idea what you are trying to explain in your original post. This is because of the dis-jointed way you wrote the your words. The abbreviation issue is certainly not limited to your specific post.

At the end of this post you quote a paragraph from another one of my posts.
What you not are realizing is that those words are from one of Kevin's posts. I should have made the source more clear, but I was asking him for clarification immediately after he posted. His words illustrate the difficulty of communicating a concept using the written word.
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SC,

Firstly, you didn't mention that you had quoted from anyone. Secondly, did you pull Kevin on his punctuation, etc?

As I said, you are just being picky (for some reason)..

The fact that you don't understand the original post is your problem, it's simple enough, if you care to read it slowly and properly and (God forbid) pick up a club and experiment...

And I do know EXACTLY what I am explaining in my post, thank you...
Enough.
 
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softconsult

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And yesterday, there was Kostis commenting on Mayfair's heel lift swing. He used the words "Old School" and you couldn't miss the disdain in his voice. Of course, at the time, Mayfair was leading bloody tournament.
 
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Lindsey Newman

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break out the .......

Ok Dean/Bob/Jim (I mean Kevin),

I am growing out my hair and thickening up my sideburns. Next time I tee it up? Roll'n with the tightest sansabelt slacks and tassels on my "spikes". I 'm going straight 70's. Heal lift- back reverse C-down, tons of tumble with super weak grip. And the last piece and most important, better rythm and tempo. Nice time warp!

Oh and when I get sick? Bust'n out the leaches for some bleeding, unless it's a headache, then I will do some drill'n!

JUST KIDDING, good stuff bro!
 
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Ringer

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A little lift isn't a bad thing, but a LOT is IMO. It's more of a weight shift thing. If the heels comes off a little no big deal, you still have most of your weight on the inside of the back foot. But lift the foot so that the toe is barely on the ground and you've swayed quite a bit back. It's going to take a long time before your body is going to shift back to the left and in most cases it never does. From there most people just spin on their back foot.
 
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