Zero shift swing impossible?

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ej20

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greenfree

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If your arms are attached to your shoulders and you hold the club in your hands and you use the shaft plane as your reference you have no choice but to go to a higher plane than the address shaft plane eventually, how you get there is another story.

You maybe parallel to that plane but if you go to the top of your b.s. your going to shift planes to a higher plane. After that who knows what plane shift someone might employ,depends on that person.
 

westy

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Once he gets the side by side going check out the difference in where the human is aiming relative to the camera. Ball go straightish both times, but feet point 30-40 yds apart with a 7 iron, so most everything he says is moot because the view is different.
Plus the first swing looks contrived.
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Only Moe?

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2FBoHmq_h8[/media]

Go to the 1:16 mark.

Moe could have easily been a single planer - he is one of few that shifts up to his matching setup/downswing plane.

Clearly If Moe had spent a little time in a plane board he would have had no problem becoming a true single planner.
 

ej20

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I'm not saying if this device is any good but just to show that a near zero shift swing is physically possible is something is guiding you.Whether you can reproduce the same swing without the device is questionable.Here is another video showing swings at full speed.

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Brian Manzella

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Junk.

I do not endorse any device that teaches the golfer to have the whole club, or the virtual "sweetspot plane" club on a single plane throughout the swing.

Period.

I never said MAKING a single plane swing is impossible, just not possible without making the swing a JOKE of powerless, goofy, non-golf-like, compensations.
 
Never liked these kind of things. Obviously tried them. The explanar felt like it was trying to suck out my soul. A bit dramatic maybe, but I didn't enjoy it and I love swinging clubs and hitting golf balls.
 

Jared Willerson

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Can they strike the ball anywhere decent?

Most of the time it isn't horrible, because, lets face it. Anyone who would study the golf swing enough to even try a zero shift swing, obviously spends some time on their game.

I really don't know what your getting at. If a zero shift works for you...great, do it. In general, I am not a fan of the Turned Shoulder Plane at impact, and think it looks rather silly to set up with the hands on the TSP. Now that is not to say the TSP is invalid or shouldn't be taught. But when speaking of a zero shift, that means setup, backswing & downswing all on the TSP, no exceptions. Most golfers don't do that...most good golfers set up on the hands only plane, so a shift has to happen.

The above is my problem with a so called zero shift...it is simply really hard to do...and don't tell me you can zero shift on the elbow plane for any thing longer than a 1/2 shot.

The TSP is valid and tons of great ball strikers are on that plane...I just prefer the standard double shift and returning to the elbow plane to hit the ball
 

greenfree

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Most of the time it isn't horrible, because, lets face it. Anyone who would study the golf swing enough to even try a zero shift swing, obviously spends some time on their game.

I really don't know what your getting at. If a zero shift works for you...great, do it. In general, I am not a fan of the Turned Shoulder Plane at impact, and think it looks rather silly to set up with the hands on the TSP. Now that is not to say the TSP is invalid or shouldn't be taught. But when speaking of a zero shift, that means setup, backswing & downswing all on the TSP, no exceptions. Most golfers don't do that...most good golfers set up on the hands only plane, so a shift has to happen.

The above is my problem with a so called zero shift...it is simply really hard to do...and don't tell me you can zero shift on the elbow plane for any thing longer than a 1/2 shot.

The TSP is valid and tons of great ball strikers are on that plane...I just prefer the standard double shift and returning to the elbow plane to hit the ball

I was just interested to know if very many people can use a zero shift swing effectivley thats all.
 
Determining the technical reasons for objecting to this zero plane shift.

Half swings etc. are all very easy to do on a zero plane shift - if preferred.

The real issue is you can't have full power full shots using a zero shift. Sure you can swing a full swing without shifting - just not with suffiicient power.

That brings use to the "cause" of the shift. As the left back/shoulder muscles are put on stretch via the hands crossing the front of the body - you can only go so far - and then to continue the motion you get a larger portion of arm elevation and clavicle elevation. Simple put in regards to where the hands move in relation to the body- it's across and then up.

If instead of pulling across and then having that effort turn to more elevation - assume you lifted your left hand from address out in front of you so that the left arm was parallel to the ground- and then brought it across your body to the "top" position- you'd notice that you eliminated or couldn't engage as many back muscles to help you during the downswing. So the hands move across the body and then as they run out of room get pulled up. If you move the hand up and then across - as in my example - you don't engage the lat muscles etc. for you to pull you down.
 
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