Hand Plane VS. Sweetspot Plane

[Todd Dugan]

Any reason not to strive to swing both the hands and Sweetspot essentially on the same intended plane through the Impact Zone?

Here's what it looks like

 

[Brian Manzella]

Any reason not to strive to swing both the hands and Sweetspot essentially on the same intended plane through the Impact Zone?

From the top????

I could give you a bunch.

Who is the player?

 

[Kevin Shields]

....and ill add a few more

 

[Todd Dugan]

Any reason not to strive to swing both the hands and Sweetspot essentially on the same intended plane through the Impact Zone?

From the top????

I could give you a bunch.

Who is the player?

No, "through the Impact Zone". I present that the hands can and ideally should move on the intended plane, with the clubhead, through the Impact Zone. "Getting stuck", a rightward clubhead plane, is the bane of the better player. When this happens, I present that, almost always, the clubhead plane is rightward of the hand plane, and NOT because the arms get "stuck" behind you, or the arms swing out to the right (rightward hand plane), as we so often hear on T.V. and the like. I suffer from this malady myself. If I swing my hands on a 0* Plane Direction, my clubhead plane will typically be 6-8* rightward. I've actually gotten pretty good at "tricking" myself into swinging my hands on a plane that is that much leftward of my "intended" plane. But this is not the ideal...... too much guessing.... and indicative of a mechanical flaw that does not repeat the same way each time. Wouldn't it be nice to swing your hands on the intended plane direction and know that the clubhead will do the same? Faldo said that "all the players are working on getting more on top of it". Nicklaus said to "keep the shaft between the arms coming down". They both mean matching up the clubhead plane to the hand plane. The player is Trevor Immelman. He's "matched up" beautifully. So was Hogan and lots of these "new" guys with really good swings. The blocker/hooker's clubhead plane is chronically rightward of his hand plane. Have a look at Ryan Moore. The hands move on a plane which parallels the camera view. But the clubhead plane is in-to-out, rightward of that. If you see him play, you'll notice that he aims WAY left. Thoughts?

 

[Jared Willerson]

Is that Ryan Moore?

 

[natep]

Interesting observation.

Out of curiosity, how do you think this would look if the camera was moved a couple of inches either way?

Would you still see the same hand path/clubhead path relationship you see from this view?

I'm asking because it seems like your observing a very subtle event and it seems like you would need a perfect angle to be sure you're seeing what you think you're seeing.

 

[dannyc]

No, "through the Impact Zone". I present that the hands can and ideally should move on the intended plane, with the clubhead, through the Impact Zone. "Getting stuck", a rightward clubhead plane, is the bane of the better player. When this happens, I present that, almost always, the clubhead plane is rightward of the hand plane, and NOT because the arms get "stuck" behind you, or the arms swing out to the right (rightward hand plane), as we so often hear on T.V. and the like. I suffer from this malady myself. If I swing my hands on a 0* Plane Direction, my clubhead plane will typically be 6-8* rightward. I've actually gotten pretty good at "tricking" myself into swinging my hands on a plane that is that much leftward of my "intended" plane. But this is not the ideal...... too much guessing.... and indicative of a mechanical flaw that does not repeat the same way each time. Wouldn't it be nice to swing your hands on the intended plane direction and know that the clubhead will do the same? Faldo said that "all the players are working on getting more on top of it". Nicklaus said to "keep the shaft between the arms coming down". They both mean matching up the clubhead plane to the hand plane. The player is Trevor Immelman. He's "matched up" beautifully. So was Hogan and lots of these "new" guys with really good swings. The blocker/hooker's clubhead plane is chronically rightward of his hand plane. Have a look at Ryan Moore. The hands move on a plane which parallels the camera view. But the clubhead plane is in-to-out, rightward of that. If you see him play, you'll notice that he aims WAY left. Thoughts?

Is that Ryan Moore?

 

[Todd Dugan]

Interesting observation.

Out of curiosity, how do you think this would look if the camera was moved a couple of inches either way?

Would you still see the same hand path/clubhead path relationship you see from this view?

I'm asking because it seems like your observing a very subtle event and it seems like you would need a perfect angle to be sure you're seeing what you think you're seeing.

Even if the camera is slightly out of position, you can still observe the hand plane in relation to the clubhead plane. But to view either actual plane in relation to say, a sqaure plane, then the camera has to lie literally "on" the sqaure plane.