Soft Draw

[Jim Kobylinski]

I probably could have chosen my words better. Clearly NSA is a pattern, but my understanding (which may well be wrong) is that it is made up from numerous components and you may not need all of them. I also thought that with SD you pretty much need to do all of it. Matt's earlier post seemed to suggest there is some middle ground and I was interested to know what it is, and which components from both patterns you can match up successfully.

Now i'm not picking on you but this is a good post to point out a few things:

-every pattern is made up of components, you can mix & match to your hearts desire to both improve and hurt your game (depending on what you mix & match)
-to do SD you need to do every component in it to do SD just like you need to do every component in NSA to do NSA and etc for any other pattern; you can deviate (see above) as you need.

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Now if you are interested in what things from both match up, i'll have to go re-watch soft draw as i don't remember. However both are patterns to help you draw the ball, NSA does it with the "twist" and SD does it more with the grip/path combo.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Sorry Matt but I'm not sure I follow. Are you just saying that adding in certain SD components to a NSA pattern moves the path more right?

Sure, once a slicer learns to square up the face.

I'd also add not only squaring up the face but refraining from opening it so much.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Does NSA become more 'hook-dangerous' for some as the golfer relaxes and the pivot improves? (not suggesting it becomes dangerous for all golfers obviously).

Becomes more dangerous when open facers learn to be less of an open facer; this will get them more closed than they have been when hitting it good with NSA and thus will need to either move away from NSA or modify it a bit more to accommodate their now less open face.

 

[leon]

Now i'm not picking on you but this is a good post to point out a few things:

-every pattern is made up of components, you can mix & match to your hearts desire to both improve and hurt your game (depending on what you mix & match)
-to do SD you need to do every component in it to do SD just like you need to do every component in NSA to do NSA and etc for any other pattern; you can deviate (see above) as you need.

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Now if you are interested in what things from both match up, i'll have to go re-watch soft draw as i don't remember. However both are patterns to help you draw the ball, NSA does it with the "twist" and SD does it more with the grip/path combo.

Jim, thanks for the response and don't worry, I don't feel picked on

I guess my confusion comes from how Brian presents SD in the video (our at least how I understand it) as it seems quite different in format to both NSA and NHA. So whilst the individual components of NSA are obvious to me from the video, the components of SD are not.

Perhaps that would have been a better question - what are the components of SD, and then as before, which ones match well with NSA?

I think maybe I'll have to go watch it again too

 

[Matt Bryda]

Matt's earlier post seemed to suggest there is some middle ground and I was interested to know what it is, and which components from both patterns you can match up successfully.

Leon,

My point is getting the person away from one type of motion to another may end up being a straight ball or a draw. To make my point clearer I should have said draw components instead of soft draw components.
There is usually middle ground because someone may not fit nice and neat into a particular pattern.

 

[peterjthomps]

Can the SD components be arranged to create a straight shot? Would this be the best way or is another pattern, or maybe something in the works out there?

 

[leon]

Leon,

My point is getting the person away from one type of motion to another may end up being a straight ball or a draw. To make my point clearer I should have said draw components instead of soft draw components.
There is usually middle ground because someone may not fit nice and neat into a particular pattern.

Thanks for the clarification Matt, makes perfect sense.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Can the SD components be arranged to create a straight shot? Would this be the best way or is another pattern, or maybe something in the works out there?

Yes, as brian said in that driving video; Nicklaus basically uses soft draw but modified it to fade it, it can be modified to hit straight too.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

I guess my confusion comes from how Brian presents SD in the video (our at least how I understand it) as it seems quite different in format to both NSA and NHA.

Definitely it's a different for sure but NSA and NHA are very different too.

So whilst the individual components of NSA are obvious to me from the video, the components of SD are not.

Makes more sense to me now, you just aren't as comfortable with soft draw.

Perhaps that would have been a better question - what are the components of SD, and then as before, which ones match well with NSA?

I think maybe I'll have to go watch it again too

Well i want to use the terms he in the video so i don't confuse you with my own terms. I'll go take a watch and get it refreshed in my coconut and respond back in the future.

 

[peterjthomps]

Yes, as brian said in that driving video; Nicklaus basically uses soft draw but modified it to fade it, it can be modified to hit straight too.

Jim thanks for the response. I just re-watched Brians video, an if i understand correctly, using a SD type swing you would open the face slightly and move the path to the left to hit a power fade. Ill give it a try at the range and see how it works.