Should you try to hold the lag?

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Tball88

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Sometimes I feel like I'm trying too hard to hold the lag, and don't have a full release. Almost like the cocked wrist is a static position. Should you actually "feel" like you are releasing the wrists,but in reality if you are hitting down there will still be lag at impact?
 
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Ok Jim, help me out. If I cock the right wrist on the backswing. Or increase the amount of wrist angle, should that wrist angle decrease back to the angle it was at setup? So is pivot creating the lag while the right wrist uncocks?
 
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Brian Manzella

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Whoa Nellie....

Tball88 said:
...If I cock the right wrist on the backswing. Or increase the amount of wrist angle, should that wrist angle decrease back to the angle it was at setup? So is pivot creating the lag while the right wrist uncocks?
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You never try to cock the right wrist.

Trigger Delay or Accumulator Lag, can be created/caused/allowed by many different things.

Ball Position and Aiming Point, being just two.
 
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Tball88 said:
Sometimes I feel like I'm trying too hard to hold the lag, and don't have a full release. Almost like the cocked wrist is a static position. Should you actually "feel" like you are releasing the wrists,but in reality if you are hitting down there will still be lag at impact?
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You shouldn't HOLD your wrists back.

You should FEEL like you are moving your hands by directing them to a spot while they are being MOVED by your pivot. Some people just FEEL the hands.

Either way, just DIRECT THEM to a spot and ALLOW the wrists to uncock.

Don't TRY TO RELEASE OR TRY NOT TO.
 
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Brian, that helps quite a bit. In an effort to "maintain" lag, I often feel like I'm trying to not release. Almost like a full punch shot. Today at the range I was just letting the hands go, almost felt like I was just dropping the right hand into the back of the ball with a forward aiming point. This also got me swinging a little more left as the release of the club pulled me back on plane, usually I'm too far right.

I'm sure it's a balance of letting the hands go, but not flipping..
 
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Tball88 said:
Brian, that helps quite a bit. In an effort to "maintain" lag, I often feel like I'm trying to not release. Almost like a full punch shot. Today at the range I was just letting the hands go, almost felt like I was just dropping the right hand into the back of the ball with a forward aiming point. This also got me swinging a little more left as the release of the club pulled me back on plane, usually I'm too far right.

I'm sure it's a balance of letting the hands go, but not flipping..
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This is what I have also learned. Golf makes sense now!
 
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Tball88

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I think where I've gotten confused is the idea of firm wrists for a hitter. The idea that the flying wedges should be in a locked position.

In an effort to hold that locked position, I get some pretty eratic shots at times.
 
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shootin4par

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lag, is the right wrist cup, not the left wrist cock
in the backswing, if you cup before you cock it is MUCH harder to uncup before you uncock
take your right hand and hold it out in front of you
now cup the right wrist and rotate the forearm and bend the elbow iuntil you reach the tray position, now hold that and just try to uncup the right wrist

Now hold the hand out in front again and do not cup but go into the tray positon except this time have your fingers pointing to the sky, then cup and try to uncup
from which position is it easier to loose the cup? The cup is lag, the cock is not. You can have all the wrist cock in the world and have zero lag
 
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Ah....no.

Clubhead Lag is simply the pressure that is created when the CLUBHEAD—which is INERT and doesn't move on its own, except to fall to the earth due to gravity—is MOVED toward the ball by the golfer through the HANDS at a PRESSURE POINT, often the right forefinger knukle that is hooked behind the shaft.

This pressure is CREATED by either the right arm starting to straighten, or the Pivot starting to rotate or both. Also the combination of the wrist uncocking and rolling back to its IMPACT LOCATION will create this PRESSURE as well.

You MAINTAIN this Lag Pressure by MAINTAING the PRESSURE at the PRESURE POINT or POINTS by maintaining the FORCE.

This has nothing to do with HOW FAR THE CLUBHEAD IS BEHIND THE HANDS.

This is ACCUMULATOR LAG and is a very different animal.

Basically, this ACCUMULATOR LAG is the AMOUNT OF out-of-line the ACCUMULATORS are, and HOW LONG THEY STAY THAT WAY. They "stay that way" until something TRIGGERS their RELEASE. That's where the term TRIGGER DELAY come from and why it is closly associated with ACCUMULATOR LAG.

For those who don't know, an ACCUMULATOR is an Out-of-Line condition of the right arm, the left wrist, the left hand, and the left arm-to-the-pivot.

Whew!
 
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Brian Manzella said:
Clubhead Lag is simply the pressure that is created when the CLUBHEAD—which is INERT and doesn't move on its own, except to fall to the earth due to gravity—is MOVED toward the ball by the golfer through the HANDS at a PRESSURE POINT, often the right forefinger knukle that is hooked behind the shaft.

This pressure is CREATED by either the right arm starting to straighten, or the Pivot starting to rotate or both. Also the combination of the wrist uncocking and rolling back to its IMPACT LOCATION will create this PRESSURE as well.

You MAINTAIN this Lag Pressure by MAINTAING the PRESSURE at the PRESURE POINT or POINTS by maintaining the FORCE.

This has nothing to do with HOW FAR THE CLUBHEAD IS BEHIND THE HANDS.

This is ACCUMULATOR LAG and is a very different animal.

Basically, this ACCUMULATOR LAG is the AMOUNT OF out-of-line the ACCUMULATORS are, and HOW LONG THEY STAY THAT WAY. They "stay that way" until something TRIGGERS their RELEASE. That's where the term TRIGGER DELAY come from and why it is closly associated with ACCUMULATOR LAG.

For those who don't know, an ACCUMULATOR is an Out-of-Line condition of the right arm, the left wrist, the left hand, and the left arm-to-the-pivot.

Whew!
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Great Post B - Man, one of the best explanations! By the way, I bought flipper about a year ago and finally watched it last night ---- Great little movie - loved it -- keep up the good work
 
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shootin4par

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so a lagging clubhead takeaway is about pressure and not the hands moving away with the club lagging behind? but for ME, that is neither here nor there. if the club does not lag the right hand utill impact you are standing on the edge of being a flipper. so biomechanically to keep the right wrist cup if you cup before you cock, uncupping will have a greater chance of happening after uncocking. If you want a golfer with a bent right wrist at impact, why not comment on any of that part that I discussed in the post? Here it is always whats wrong, instead of saying I agree with this, but you need clarification on that.
 
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Brian Manzella said:
Clubhead Lag is simply the pressure that is created when the CLUBHEAD—which is INERT and doesn't move on its own, except to fall to the earth due to gravity—is MOVED toward the ball by the golfer through the HANDS at a PRESSURE POINT, often the right forefinger knukle that is hooked behind the shaft.

This pressure is CREATED by either the right arm starting to straighten, or the Pivot starting to rotate or both. Also the combination of the wrist uncocking and rolling back to its IMPACT LOCATION will create this PRESSURE as well.

You MAINTAIN this Lag Pressure by MAINTAING the PRESSURE at the PRESURE POINT or POINTS by maintaining the FORCE.

This has nothing to do with HOW FAR THE CLUBHEAD IS BEHIND THE HANDS.

This is ACCUMULATOR LAG and is a very different animal.

Basically, this ACCUMULATOR LAG is the AMOUNT OF out-of-line the ACCUMULATORS are, and HOW LONG THEY STAY THAT WAY. They "stay that way" until something TRIGGERS their RELEASE. That's where the term TRIGGER DELAY come from and why it is closly associated with ACCUMULATOR LAG.

For those who don't know, an ACCUMULATOR is an Out-of-Line condition of the right arm, the left wrist, the left hand, and the left arm-to-the-pivot.

Whew!
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Good post Brian! You don't write these "technical" posts that often...but you should ! (even though they won't fix as many golfers)...
 
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Tball88

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Great Post Brian, from the way I read it, I've been trying to force accumulator lag and not allowing the wrist to uncock and roll into impact.

Thanks for clearing up clubhead lag and accumulator lag, that's apparently been a point of confusion for me.
 
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shootin4par

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the definition of lag is "fail to keep up", not pressure. Homer may have defined different the pressure from the lag or changed definitions. But the moment the clubhead gets in front of the hands, lag is lost. so ah ya, my first post on the subject could have been expanded on, but was not wrong.
 
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Tball88 said:
Brian, that helps quite a bit. In an effort to "maintain" lag, I often feel like I'm trying to not release. Almost like a full punch shot. Today at the range I was just letting the hands go, almost felt like I was just dropping the right hand into the back of the ball with a forward aiming point. This also got me swinging a little more left as the release of the club pulled me back on plane, usually I'm too far right.

I'm sure it's a balance of letting the hands go, but not flipping..
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Yup I did that for a long time. "Hold it off."

I have a feeling it's something that a lot of people who read TGM and these TGM sites get into doing.

I seem to be moving away from it these days.
 
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Brian Manzella said:
Clubhead Lag is simply the pressure that is created when the CLUBHEAD—which is INERT and doesn't move on its own, except to fall to the earth due to gravity—is MOVED toward the ball by the golfer through the HANDS at a PRESSURE POINT, often the right forefinger knukle that is hooked behind the shaft.

This pressure is CREATED by either the right arm starting to straighten, or the Pivot starting to rotate or both. Also the combination of the wrist uncocking and rolling back to its IMPACT LOCATION will create this PRESSURE as well.

You MAINTAIN this Lag Pressure by MAINTAING the PRESSURE at the PRESURE POINT or POINTS by maintaining the FORCE.

This has nothing to do with HOW FAR THE CLUBHEAD IS BEHIND THE HANDS.

This is ACCUMULATOR LAG and is a very different animal.

Basically, this ACCUMULATOR LAG is the AMOUNT OF out-of-line the ACCUMULATORS are, and HOW LONG THEY STAY THAT WAY. They "stay that way" until something TRIGGERS their RELEASE. That's where the term TRIGGER DELAY come from and why it is closly associated with ACCUMULATOR LAG.

For those who don't know, an ACCUMULATOR is an Out-of-Line condition of the right arm, the left wrist, the left hand, and the left arm-to-the-pivot.

Whew!
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Beautiful post, thanks Brian!
 
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