2-D video analysis
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Brian Manzella
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I'm going to guess, that having "educated eyeballs" and tons of experience....+TM = enough.
Haha, I guess by the same token, if someone like me was suddenly going to become an instructor, having TM wouldn't be enough. Even TM +video wouldn't be enough.
That's pretty much the whole truth.
Brian, don't forget 2 factors:
1/ you have been watching golf swings live and on video for 30+ years. You have eyes that operate like cameras.
2/ TM gives you impact numbers, NOTHING more.
Of course you know these things, but maybe some don't.
You wouldn't seriously be trying to say that you could improve someone's golf using a TM report, without ever seeing the golfer? No way is that possible. Unless your name is MERLIN!
1/ you have been watching golf swings live and on video for 30+ years. You have eyes that operate like cameras.
2/ TM gives you impact numbers, NOTHING more.
Of course you know these things, but maybe some don't.
You wouldn't seriously be trying to say that you could improve someone's golf using a TM report, without ever seeing the golfer? No way is that possible. Unless your name is MERLIN!
Todd Dugan
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Video is useful to track movement of the body and club. To say otherwise is ignorant. But I use video mostly as additional "proof" of my analysis for the student. In other words, I don't need to see the video to know that the student is, for example, coming over the top. But it helps them to see it. It has been proven that folks learn 5X faster with the use of video.
Same thing with TrackMan. As great as it is, the reality is that a trained eye, especially with experience using the machine, can estimate the numbers with surprising accuracy. I have no doubt that B-Manz can call out Path, Face, Attack Angle, Swing Direction usually within +/- 1* for his own swings, and probably just as close for his students swings. This is experience, being good at what you do, and really understanding the collision physics that create the ball flight. When you understand ball flight/D Plane, and you know where the ball is struck on the clubface, determining relative Path and Clubface by observing ball flight is not rocket science. You see, the golfing masses are evaluating each swing based on the flight of the ball now. The problem is that none of them know how to "read" the ball flight. Namely, they are not considering where the ball is struck on the clubface, nor do they understand how off-center hits twist the Clubface alignment at max compression, nor the gear effect and its effect on spin axis. Nor do they understand that the ball launches horizontally 75 to 85% favoring Clubface when not sqaure to Path. Heck, plenty don't understand that spin axis (curve) is created by Clubface open or closed to Path. But I do.
Of course I want and love TrackMan, for all that is does, but also to show my students real, objective measurement/analysis to reinforce my analysis and to remove some of the "subjectivity" they may sense from me. Same with video.
Same thing with TrackMan. As great as it is, the reality is that a trained eye, especially with experience using the machine, can estimate the numbers with surprising accuracy. I have no doubt that B-Manz can call out Path, Face, Attack Angle, Swing Direction usually within +/- 1* for his own swings, and probably just as close for his students swings. This is experience, being good at what you do, and really understanding the collision physics that create the ball flight. When you understand ball flight/D Plane, and you know where the ball is struck on the clubface, determining relative Path and Clubface by observing ball flight is not rocket science. You see, the golfing masses are evaluating each swing based on the flight of the ball now. The problem is that none of them know how to "read" the ball flight. Namely, they are not considering where the ball is struck on the clubface, nor do they understand how off-center hits twist the Clubface alignment at max compression, nor the gear effect and its effect on spin axis. Nor do they understand that the ball launches horizontally 75 to 85% favoring Clubface when not sqaure to Path. Heck, plenty don't understand that spin axis (curve) is created by Clubface open or closed to Path. But I do.
Of course I want and love TrackMan, for all that is does, but also to show my students real, objective measurement/analysis to reinforce my analysis and to remove some of the "subjectivity" they may sense from me. Same with video.
Brian Manzella
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Brian, don't forget 2 factors:
1/ you have been watching golf swings live and on video for 30+ years. You have eyes that operate like cameras.
2/ TM gives you impact numbers, NOTHING more.
Of course you know these things, but maybe some don't.
You wouldn't seriously be trying to say that you could improve someone's golf using a TM report, without ever seeing the golfer? No way is that possible. Unless your name is MERLIN!
I could fix someone using just TrackMan numbers and nothing else.
It would take a while....but, I could do it easy.
Process of elimination, of course it is possible.
But seeing the player makes it quicker. The use of video for some things that you may want to confirm and to allow your student to see make it a useful tool. For sure, sometimes, maybe even most times, a real expert like yourself may not need video, but hey, pretty soon you may not need TM either.
I don't believe for a minute your new studio won't have video....
But seeing the player makes it quicker. The use of video for some things that you may want to confirm and to allow your student to see make it a useful tool. For sure, sometimes, maybe even most times, a real expert like yourself may not need video, but hey, pretty soon you may not need TM either.
I don't believe for a minute your new studio won't have video....
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