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> +3 AoA - Club Path

I've found that when my AoA is > +3 that it's almost impossible to get my path less than -1* (always left) and it's often -3* even if I don't go over the top and swing to right field. How does one counter the negative path with a positive attack angle without adjusting alignment (aligning parallel left)?

I also feel like when the club gets past low point the face is closing down even faster tan prior to low point. My path and face are very consistent with -1.5 AoA but my spin goes up to 3,300 (910 D3 with a real Ahina shaft 80g X flex). If I hit up >3 degrees my spin is 2,500-2,800 but my path is always left and my face closure rate even greater (hence the exponential face closure concept. I wonder if anyone else has run into this issue.
 
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The Titleist D3 has a 0.5º open face angle. Perhaps you should be using a driver with a more open driver face... like maybe 2º... since you have an imputed 300 yard drive.:rolleyes:
 
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cwdlaw223 said:
I've found that when my AoA is > +3 that it's almost impossible to get my path less than -1* (always left) and it's often -3* even if I don't go over the top and swing to right field. How does one counter the negative path with a positive attack angle without adjusting alignment (aligning parallel left)?

I also feel like when the club gets past low point the face is closing down even faster tan prior to low point. My path and face are very consistent with -1.5 AoA but my spin goes up to 3,300 (910 D3 with a real Ahina shaft 80g X flex). If I hit up >3 degrees my spin is 2,500-2,800 but my path is always left and my face closure rate even greater (hence the exponential face closure concept. I wonder if anyone else has run into this issue.
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Although the "over the top to right field" comment has me a bit confused (unless you're left handed?) one thing is for sure...the golf ball doesn't care where you are lined up. As you know, the only thing that matters is impact. IMO, insisting on parallel left alignment can kill a perfectly good golf swing.
 
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SteveT said:
The Titleist D3 has a 0.5º open face angle. Perhaps you should be using a driver with a more open driver face... like maybe 2º... since you have an imputed 300 yard drive.:rolleyes:
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I can open and close the face angle. Not an issue. C-1 setting (1.5 open and flatter). Nothing imputed about my drives. Fact. Bad path with hitting up and aiming parallel left. :rolleyes:
 
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ekennedy said:
Although the "over the top to right field" comment has me a bit confused (unless you're left handed?) one thing is for sure...the golf ball doesn't care where you are lined up. As you know, the only thing that matters is impact. IMO, insisting on parallel left alignment can kill a perfectly good golf swing.
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Over the top = path going left. Right field = trying to get the path back to the right by swinging in to out.

Aiming right and trusting a straight shot back in the fairway is easier said than done. I aim farther right than I would like to get everything less than 1* consistently. I know there's a lot of variables and no video posted. But hitting up causes the path to go to the left. Not sure how to change that except through alignment. I want the lower spin for an extra 20-30 yards, but I'll take hitting down to put the ball in the fairway. Still have good distance hitting down.
 
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cwdlaw223 said:
Over the top = path going left. Right field = trying to get the path back to the right by swinging in to out.

Aiming right and trusting a straight shot back in the fairway is easier said than done. I aim farther right than I would like to get everything less than 1* consistently. I know there's a lot of variables and no video posted. But hitting up causes the path to go to the left. Not sure how to change that except through alignment. I want the lower spin for an extra 20-30 yards, but I'll take hitting down to put the ball in the fairway. Still have good distance hitting down.
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There's nothing you can do about it but aim right. There's a d-plane calculator in the archives somewhere, I remember looking at it and if you're hitting it 300 and swinging up 5 degrees you have to aim something like almost 30 yards right.
 
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natep said:
There's nothing you can do about it but aim right. There's a d-plane calculator in the archives somewhere, I remember looking at it and if you're hitting it 300 and swinging up 5 degrees you have to aim something like almost 30 yards right.
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That's about right! I was going nuts trying to see if I could somehow get the path straight by hitting up AND aiming parallel left.
 
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That was my point. You can aim parallel left and swing up, but it would change your natural swing drastically. Just keep turning your body right until your path is zero.
 
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natep said:
There's nothing you can do about it but aim right. There's a d-plane calculator in the archives somewhere, I remember looking at it and if you're hitting it 300 and swinging up 5 degrees you have to aim something like almost 30 yards right.
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This has got to be why the tour average AoA is still slightly downward.
 
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What's their average spin rate? 2,400? 2,700?

I just can't control the face/path hitting up that much, but I want 2,400 spin. I'm closer to 3,300 and hitting down -1.5*. I have a great shaft (real Ahina - 84 grams 8.5* driver).
 
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CW,

I can relate. The high draw with the driver is a pure "nemesis-confrontation" shot for me. I'm trying to hit up and at the same time swing a bit out to the right but it seems like it ends up going relatively straight or it's a push-knuckle-fade. Could be that I"m just not lining up to the right the correct (extreme) amount because my brain doesn't like what it sees at setup.

May just need some range time and a really large bucket of balls to convince myself.
 
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cwdlaw223

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When I hit up my face angle is consistently bad. When I hit down it's fine. I have a hunch the closure rate past low point speeds up exponentially and you can't feel it. Just a guess. I aim right even when I hit down. It works for me.

Of course, we all know Hogan's closure rate slowed down and he could defy Newton's laws! Love to see that one floating around the internet.
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There is a thread where Brian talks about hitting up and states that he has a lot of forward shaft lean. Maybe that's another factor.
 
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cwdlaw223 said:
I can open and close the face angle. Not an issue. C-1 setting (1.5 open and flatter). Nothing imputed about my drives. Fact. Bad path with hitting up and aiming parallel left. :rolleyes:
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Ah hah... there's your problem!!!!

You have a driver with a 0.5º open face and you opened it up a further 1º setting. That means the driver head CofG is now skewed around by 1º and center hits are now exposed to "horizontal gear effect"... because of the misalignment between the ball and driver head CofG's..!!!

Your pulls are a consequence of AofA swing faults aggravated by unwanted gear effect!!! Get a properly designed driver head without dubious adjustment gizmos meant for the honker market..!!!:eek:
 
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cwdlaw223

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The 910 D3 is one of the best on the market. What golfing equipment planet do you live on???? There isn't a gear effect issue. I can close it, open it or keep it square with issues. It's the path that I was focusing on. I work on path first and then face angle. Gear effect doesn't affect path. Correction: C-1 is .75* less loft and .75* flatter.


AoA swing faults? Please tell me what is the optimal AoA for everyone? It varies. My AoA was always greater than -1.5. That certainly is within the range of reasonableness.
 
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SteveT said:
Ah hah... there's your problem!!!!

You have a driver with a 0.5º open face and you opened it up a further 1º setting. That means the driver head CofG is now skewed around by 1º and center hits are now exposed to "horizontal gear effect"... because of the misalignment between the ball and driver head CofG's..!!!

Your pulls are a consequence of AofA swing faults aggravated by unwanted gear effect!!! Get a properly designed driver head without dubious adjustment gizmos meant for the honker market..!!!:eek:
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I have yet to see the CoG orientation of the club/ball at address hit an unwanted gear effect shot. Seems to me the orientation of the club/ball CoG at impact would be determining factor. Do you know what that orientation is?
 
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