3Jack's 2009 PGA Tour Ballstriking Statistical Rankings - a favorite here did well

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Richie3Jack

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I determined these 'ballstriking rankings' by taking into account total driving, GIR, and proximity to the cup. Look at who is in the top 5:

1. Jason Bohn
2. Heath Slocum
3. David Toms
4. Jay Williamson
5. Robert Allenby
6. Greg Owen
7. Joe Durant
8. John Senden
9. Kenny Perry
10. D.J. Trahan
11. Patrick Sheehan
12. Hunter Mahan
13. Tiger Woods
14. Zach Johnson
15. Michael Allen
16. Tommy Armour III
17. Tim Clark
18. Kirk Triplett
19. Kris Blanks
20. Chad Campbell
21. Jeff Maggert
22. Justin Leonard
23. Robert Garrigus
24. Steve Stricker
25. Boo Weekley
26. Chris Stroud
27. Steve Marino
28. Jason Dufner
29. Tom Lehman
30. Charles Warren
31. Scott Verplank
32. Lucas Glover
33. Briny Baird
34. Troy Matteson
35. Steve Elkington
36. Sean O'Hair
37. Will MacKenzie
38. Alex Cejka
39. Bo Van Pelt
40. Scott Sterling
41. Jonathan Byrd
42. Ernie Els
43. Sergio Garcia
44. Darron Stiles
45. Stephen Ames
46. Fred Couples
47. Bryce Molder
48. Kevin Stadler
49. Matt Weibring
50. Ted Purdy
51. Billy Mayfair
52. Jim Furyk
53. Marc Leishman
54. Chez Reavie
55. Mark Wilson
56. J.J. Henry
57. Nicholas Thompson
58. Ben Crane
59. Davis Love III
60. Vijay Singh
61. Bill Haas
62. Bill Lunde
63. Nick O'Hern
64. Glen Day
65. Kevin Streelman
66. Colt Knost
67. Charley Hoffman
68. John Merrick
69. Dustin Johnson
70. Ryan Moore
71. Jason Gore
72. Harrison Frazar
73. Rich Beem
74. Camilo Villegas
75. Justin Rose
76. Bob Heintz
77. D.A. Points
78. Ricky Barnes
79. Rod Pampling
80. Jeff Klauk
81. Casey Wittenberg
82. Y.E. Yang
83. Mathew Goggin
84. Martin Laird
85. Kent Jones
86. Brandt Snedeker
87. Nick Watney
88. Bob Estes
89. Tag Ridings
90. Vaughn Taylor
91. Bart Bryant
92. K.J. Choi
93. Brian Gay
94. Steve Flesch
95. Scott McCarron
96. Charlie Wi
97. Matt Kuchar
98. Chris Riley
99. Rocco Mediate
100. Cameron Beckman
101. Woody Austin
102. Kevin Sutherland
103. Chris DiMarco
104. Jerry Kelly
105. Peter Tomasulo
106. Ryan Palmer
107. Matt Jones
108. John Mallinger
109. Charles Howell III
110. Dean Wilson
111. Johnson Wagner
112. Brian Davis
113. Michael Letzig
114. Steve Lowery
115. John Rollins
116. Rick Price
117. Scott Piercy
118. Brendon de Jonge
119. Kevin Na
120. Spencer Levin
121. Jason Day
122. Todd Hamilton
123. Angel Cabrera
124. Jeff Quinney
125. Paul Goydos
126. Stewart Cink
127. Lee Janzen
128. Gary Woodland
129. Brett Quigley
130. Tim Petrovic
131. Mark Brooks
132. Corey Pavin
133. Mike Weir
134. Richard S. Johnson
135. Rory Sabbatini
136. Bubba Watson
137. Retief Goosen
138. Adam Scott
139. Mark Calcavecchia
140. Jarrod Lyle
141. Luke Donald
142. Cliff Kresge
143. Aron Price
144. Pat Perez
145. Ken Duke
146. Peter Lonard
147. Greg Chalmers
148. George McNeill
149. James Nitties
150. Tom Pernice, Jr.
151. Phil Mickelson
152. Daniel Chopra
153. Ian Poulter
154. Geoff Ogilvy
155. Webb Simpson
156. Brian Vranesh
157. Stuart Appleby
158. Andres Romero
159. Anthony Kim
160. Leif Olson
161. Tim Herron
162. Jimmy Walker
163. Fredrik Jacobson
164. Greg Kraft
165. J.B. Holmes
166. Brian Bateman
167. Brad Adamonis
168. Matt Bettencourt
169. Ben Curtis
170. Joe Ogilvie
171. Marc Turnesa
172. Padraig Harrington
173. Carl Pettersson
174. David Mathis
175. Jeff Overton
176. David Duval
177. Nathan Green
178. Brendon Todd
179. Aaron Baddeley
180. Ryuji Imada
181. Derek Fathauer
182. Eric Axley
183. Parker McLachlin
184. Brad Faxon
 
cmartingolf

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Interesting...

If you took this list and subtracted their money position you would have their short game ranking or pretty close?
 
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Kevin Shields

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How are those changes working for Harrington...geez, 172!

Richie, how much does one "killer stat", like bad driving accuracy, kill your ranking. Like, if you took out everyones worst stat, what would the list be?
 
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MikeD2

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I think scoring average rather than money would be a better indicator of the state of their short games.

Slocum is Number 2 on this list and 82nd in putting average and 146th in scoring average.

"What should we work on today, Heath?"
 
Richie3Jack

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Kevin Shields said:
How are those changes working for Harrington...geez, 172!

Richie, how much does one "killer stat", like bad driving accuracy, kill your ranking. Like, if you took out everyones worst stat, what would the list be?
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It really doesn't because it's part of total driving. Miss fairways then you need to be longer to make up the difference. If you're short off the tee, then you better be accurate.

Joe Durant is almost always in the top 10 in these rankings. He's got a swing that should be looked at more by all instructors and golf magazines IMO. Instead they are too busy showing guys like Adam Scott.





3JACK
 
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rogerdodger

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Other than Kenny Perry, no one in the top ten is ever analyzed by the major golf media outfits. Scott must have a great agent. Would be nice to see why the players in the top ten are so much better than the last ten guys on the list.
 
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Richie - interesting stuff. Have you tried to find a relationship between this ballstriking ranking and an overall performance ranking, such as either scoring average or money?

I think it was Pelz' contention that there was no such relationship - that everyone on tour hits it "good enough" and that there's no real advantage, from tour pro to tour pro, in being a great ball striker. Have you tested this?
 
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birly-shirly said:
Richie - interesting stuff. Have you tried to find a relationship between this ballstriking ranking and an overall performance ranking, such as either scoring average or money?

I think it was Pelz' contention that there was no such relationship - that everyone on tour hits it "good enough" and that there's no real advantage, from tour pro to tour pro, in being a great ball striker. Have you tested this?
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This has been done before. Pelz is sort of right. Correlation coefficients have been used (a number that tells the relationship between two statistics and whether or not they correlate directly, indirectly or have no correlation to each other)

Correlation coefficients on GIR and scoring average is +0.55 or so. That's a very moderate *direct* correlation. Meaning that the more greens you hit, there's a decent chance you will shoot a lower score than the golfer that hits less greens, but it's by no means a strong relationship by any means.

The top 5 correlations to scoring average on the PGA Tour are:

1. GIR
2. Putts/GIR
3. Double Bogey or Worse Rate
4. Scrambling
5. Go For Its (rate of going for par-5's in two)

As you can see, each of these 5 stats have some ballstriking related to them. Even scrambling as just missing a green is easier to get up and down from than if you badly miss a green. Putts/GIR still relies a bit on ballstriking because if I have a 10 foot putt vs. a 30 foot putt for birdie, I would even take myself over Ben Crenshaw given those difference in lengths.

As far as the Tour goes, my belief is you HAVE to strike it pretty darn well to make it on the Tour. Those who don't usually don't last long unless they are a world class, best of the best type putter and they usually need to get hot for week and win a tournament and keep their card for a little longer. The things that seperate the great PGA Tour players and the rest of the Tour is usually they can hit the ball as well as the rest and really putt on top of it and then some have the power advantage along with it so they are turning courses into par 68's.





3JACK
 
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Brian Manzella

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No offense....but....

The only way to do this—and I don't have the time to—is this (or something like it):

Driving Accuracy: 100% = 100 points, 50% equals = 50 points, etc.

Driving Distance: 320 yards = 100 points, 220 yards = 50 points, etc

GIR: 100% = 100 points, 50% = 50 points, etc

Proximity to the hole = 20 feet = 100 points, 35 feet = 75 points, 50 feet = 50 points

Add the four scores, and divide by 4.

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birdie_man

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Kevin Shields said:
How are those changes working for Harrington...geez, 172!
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Always thought it was weird...with all the hullabaloo and how he talked about it changes sounded a lot more like overhaul. I respect his desire to improve but I dunno how much there is to change in that swing.

Hope to see him back. I don't read too much into his couple plunked pitches late last season either...hopefully he didn't either.
 
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