4 degree upright lie angle

[dschultz6072]

I tried the lie angle bent on one as much as he could go upright, about 3...yea it's not gonna work. Now I feel like I'm standing way up to the ball to get it to sole right for me, and the swing feels almost vertical. Still toe deep. Back to standard we go. Going to just live with it and figure out how to come through impact a bit flatter.

 

[cmartingolf]

I wish I had a nickel for all the upright sets I see new golfers fit to. I'm not a fan of fitting the malady. As a sixteen year club pro, I was a horrible club salesman. Members would want me to fit them and I would, then suggest they keep their current gear and work on getting their swing to plane out properly. Any fitter should explain why a club presents steep or flat and explain why a golfer should fit to it or fit to where their swing is going.

Generally, I like to order standard gear for most of my averaged size guys (5'9" - 6'1) and let them play it for a few weeks. Then, I'll get it on the Mitchell machine and tweak if needed. Just sayin...

 

[dschultz6072]

Yea. The pro who helps me out tells me I'm standard. He says he sees very few golfers that need lie angle adjustments. I kind of just looked into it on a whim. This game is new to me and I like finding out about stuff like this. It's not the arrow, it's the archer. Thanks for the input!

 

[Lindsey Newman]

Somewhere in the golf swing there is an ultimate angle to deliver the clubhead, not from to high, not from to low. You can change the lie angle all you want, but that ain't gonna solve it. Lengthening and shortening will always make more sense than adjusting lie angles. If you think about it logically, the ball will always prefer being hit from a certain angle of attack and adjusting the lie angle really does not solve the problem.

 

[spmurph]

Mainly my question was just posed because I was wondering if this is an issue of a regular flex shaft being too flexible and causing a bit of droop into the ground. Does it? And if it does, is the shaft really the culprit and the lie angle is a secondary effect? My driver swing speed is steadily increasing into 100 mph range.

Sasho Mackenzie conducted a study with different swing speeds different flex shafts. The fastest swing coupled with the most flexible shaft produced the most toe droop. Sorry I don't have the specifics but I believe the study is on his website if you wish to read it.

 

[drewyallop]

the ball will always prefer being hit from a certain angle of attack

Interesting comment Lindsey. How do you determine that optimum AoA?

Drew

 

[Lindsey Newman]

Interesting comment Lindsey. How do you determine that optimum AoA?

Drew

Great question, I guess you would have to ponder multiple things. I wish I knew as I am 6'3 and play 1/2 inch long clubs. The "prototype" height has always been considered 5'10-ish and this has always had me wondering how different my posture, plane and body would be different if I were to play clubs that effectively made me 5'10. It would be a cool experiment to play a 7 iron 4 inches long and do some video and trackman. Who knows, just a theory.

 

[drewyallop]

I agree that Trackman plus the same body plus clubs of very different lengths may provide some insights and perhaps explode some of the dogmas on this topic.

Drew

 

[DCgolf]

How about your VSP, do you know that? Or swing path? The thing to be concerned about is the "compensation fit". Outside-in and/or steep can be compensated by upright. Are the divots "equi-deep". That's is toe/heel?

 

[dschultz6072]

This is where you guys start using Trackman stuff and I would LOVE to know what types of information you can infer from the different data because it starts to get a bit over my head.

Dunno VSP, been a while. Swing path is inside out a few degrees. I swing pretty upright according to the pro and the divots are usually a little heavier on the toe side. He was trying to show me today how to flatten it out a bit and produce a lower flying cut shot. Another thing I would really like to have is a more penetrating ball flight. Start out lower I guess, ESPECIALLY with the driver. My driver shots lately have been really high and weak. They look like they'd go 300 yards but the ball has no forward, only up.

 

[DCgolf]

Well look at it like this. If you're swinging a 60 degree club at say 66 degrees, you're standing the club up and you'll get toe deep divots. But no amount of lie angle change will address the flaw that caused the shaft to stand up, as Lindsey's comment suggests. That would be a compensation not a correction fit. When I see toe or heel marks more than say 2 degrees off from an average size person, I am inclined to think swing flaw more than club. Maybe.