5+ years of playing and I still can't hit the little ball before the big ball

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Kevin Shields

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Im just kidding. Looks like right elbow is getting stuck behind you and you cup the left wrist pretty hard and lose the grip at the top.
 

hp12c

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I've done everything
-compression board
-tour striker
-2008 lesson w/ the Manz (he had me hitting it good but I can't get it back)
-lesson with a swing speed coach
-Swing speed is up, tempo is improved. Contact isn't.
-lessons w/ Rob Baxter (Rhody based teacher who posts on this forum)
-lessons w/ a MA based TGM guy
-couple other teachers
-I have read most every book ever mentioned on this site

Like a stupid, I forked over some decent coin to join a club in the Boston suburbs. I dig up the range and sweat alot. Not much more is happening than that.

I struggle with fat shots, pushed drives, hooks, bladed shots. I have a hard time hitting down. I have a hard time with consistent divots.

When I go hit it ok, it feels as if I am releasing my arms and wrists on the way down and then turning my body to turn the clubace and hit down on the ball. Still chunky though.

I've played 18 holes all summer (not counting practice holes after work) at my club because I'm embarrassed of my ugly game.

I also feel guilty because me wife and I had a baby 8 mos ago. He is the love of my life and I burn the candle at both ends to be with him. I can't help but feel guilty when I'm out on the range or course and stinking it up that I should be spending my time with him rather than doing something I'm starting to despise. I can't wait until I can get him out on the course with me (as long as he doesn't copy my swing).

I love golf. Love everything about it. Can't quit. But at a loss of where to go from here. Insanity = doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. But I don't know how to change what I'm doing. Also, I'm tired of throwing money at the game.

These "Bob Rotella" posts are a dime a dozen, but all opinions are greatly appreciated.

I'm working with a golfer with similar issues, we started working late May and I see him once a week. I started with small chip shots and made sure he was striking the ball similar to Bmnaz on COFF, we moved the swing farther away from the ball as we both could see a much improved consistant impact position. Work on impact position with a short swing, chips and work your way back from impact.

Art
 

rcw

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Ha!

"You can always have another kid. Get your priorities straight and start compressing the ball."

That made me laugh out loud. I love it.
 

natep

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I agree, I havent lol'd while reading in quite a while. :)

OP, I'd say getting "Never Slice Again" and learning twistaway would help your swing immensely. By far the best $20 you'll ever spend on golf.
 
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Bones, I find the videos and books to only be of value if I really understand my swing. In order to do that I took lessons on a bi-weekly basis for an entire year when I took up the game. That was what got me into the single digits. However, getting from 8 to where I want to go has been another story. Practicing poor swing techniques is a waste of time. There has got to be a good teacher in in the Boston area. If you cannot find someone there that helps you, take the $$$ you spend on the club, take wifey and the little fellow for some weekend trips to Long Island and go see Mike Jacobs for a series of lessons next spring. For that matter BManz will be on the Island next weekend. Not sure if he is booked, but you can sell the wife on a short trip to LI.
 
I agree that elements of NSA 2 could help - it did for me. Like others have suggested, it may be an open clubface that is the root cause for your problems (for me I was hitting the ball fat a bunch and had a weak push fade ball flight). I basically incorporated a bit of twistaway in my backswing and worked hard on my release while turning my body through the shot. I can't believe how much more balanced and athletic I feel now that my clubface is fairly square going through impact. I had lost a lot of distance with my longer clubs over the past couple of years and I got that back and am hitting it pretty straight. I also make a conscious effort to not overswing and be a bit more patient in the transition (and since I am not worried about hitting weak fades, I don't lunge forward at transition). It took a bunch of range work this spring to make these changes and I definitely had some struggles (including some shanks and pull hooks). I'm still working on refining some stuff (the driver was the last thing to come together and that was only last week). I played with a friend with whom I hadn't played since last year (before making the changes described above) and after the round he asked me about my completely revamped swing (he said my hip turn and head movements, etc. were completely different).

BTW, I live and work in Metrowest Boston and have two youngish kids (5 and 7). I know how frustrating it can be balancing priorities and how expensive and short the golf season can be. While my kids were younger, I pretty much just played scramble tournament golf a few times a year. However, that is when my swing really went bad. Good luck.

Dana
 
Looks like a weak left hand grip and an over rotated left arm on the b.s. and a corresponding open face with a pivot stall and flip on the d.s. in an effort to square the face. JMO.

I second that post...

A little never slice again will help you a ton. Way too much going on with forearm rotation and cuppy left wrist on the backswing. I'd like to see you try and look like Dustin Johnson at the top for a few swings.

Congrats on your wee one. That's awesome. I have two little rug rats that keep me from the range and I love it.
 
Some ideas from a fellow hacker (8 handicap off 6018, 69.3 / 122). Try playing the ball further back in your stance. Strengthen your grip and counter rotate the clubface on your backswing. Try and feel a slight hesitation at the top before coming down.

It'll be easier to practice this first with a pitching wedge or gap wedge IMO. Take your normal grip and hold the club out infront of you, now rotate (twist) your hands on the grip so you have the toe pointed at 10:00. Now without changing your grip address the ball with the face square. You've just strengthened your grip.

On the backswing you want to counter rotate the clubface. You want the feel of not letting the toe open up on the back swing. It obviously will but should open up much less in reality. You want a very shut face feel going back. Now just swing down and thru the ball.

Maybe the experts can explain why this works. My swing speed with a driver is low 90's mph. But I can hit a 45* pitching wedge 120 yards with a good swing on the ball. My guess is it puts your hands in a better position and helps not to flip at the ball as much.

Once you get this down you can adjust the counter rotation as needed. For me I counter rotate the most with my wedges and less so as I go up in my bag. I believe it works best with the shorter clubs because you want a more down and thru move.
 
Some ideas from a fellow hacker (8 handicap off 6018, 69.3 / 122). Try playing the ball further back in your stance. Strengthen your grip and counter rotate the clubface on your backswing. Try and feel a slight hesitation at the top before coming down.

It'll be easier to practice this first with a pitching wedge or gap wedge IMO. Take your normal grip and hold the club out infront of you, now rotate (twist) your hands on the grip so you have the toe pointed at 10:00. Now without changing your grip address the ball with the face square. You've just strengthened your grip.

On the backswing you want to counter rotate the clubface. You want the feel of not letting the toe open up on the back swing. It obviously will but should open up much less in reality. You want a very shut face feel going back. Now just swing down and thru the ball.

Maybe the experts can explain why this works. My swing speed with a driver is low 90's mph. But I can hit a 45* pitching wedge 120 yards with a good swing on the ball. My guess is it puts your hands in a better position and helps not to flip at the ball as much.

Once you get this down you can adjust the counter rotation as needed. For me I counter rotate the most with my wedges and less so as I go up in my bag. I believe it works best with the shorter clubs because you want a more down and thru move.

pretty much went through half of NSA right there hah. lagging the sweet spot, not the hosel!
 
Lots of similar themes in your replies. Thanks very much. Ball between heels (not toes) seems obvious but it is new to me.

Appreciate the help!
 

hp12c

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how would you address the "elbow getting stuck" behind issue?

this is just a drill to help if the right arm is sliding behind you on the back swing
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In a standing position and arms at you side.Take your left arm and bend it up at the elbow till its horizontal to the floor, then put across your chest toward your right arm, lift you arm from the shoulder keep it straight untill its horizontal to the floor, now bend the left wrist so the left hand points away from you and slide it a little more right, now lower the right arm so it rests on your left wrist, your left wrist shoult be just above your right elbow. Yes it feels weird but be patient. Ok right now the right arm is straight and hanging down but not at your side, now assume your golf posture for what ever club you want and slowly make your move away from the ball, backswing, if the right arm goes over the bent left hand or makes the left hand go flat start over, do it a few time to get the feel of the drill and after you have done it well enough you can grab a club and do the drill making sure to not let the right arm go over the bent left hand.
 
Are you lifting your head during the back swing? I saw myself on video and was bobbing up and down a little - I had no idea. Difficule to stop, but working on it.
 
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