7-23 and aiming point

[Matt Taylor]

I have zero understanding of 7-23 and, for that matter, the aiming point concept.

From what I've recently been re-reading comes the following question: on the downswing, am I supposed to be consciously trying to keep my hands on a certain path and driving them to an aiming point that I picked out/visualized at some time in my address routine? Is this how one eliminates downstroke blackout?

I'm consciously supposed to be doing this?

Is this aiming point the spot where I intend my hands to be at impact?

If that's the case, it's much, much different than what I'm doing now.

 

[ThomGN]

Matt: I have kind of the same blurry picture of the aiming point concept as you.
You're supposed to drive the #3 PP in a straight line from the top towards the aiming point.

"The aiming point can be pin-pointed by experiment and experience only" (6-E-2).
Can some of you experienced guys tell us more about where your aiming points for different clubs are, and how conscious you are of the the aiming point, in your pre-shot routine and during the stroke.
Thanks

 

[bcoak]

bump for a good topic

 

[Brian Manzella]

Matt:

Aiming Point: Where you direct your hands from the top.

Impact Hand Location: Where the hands should be at impact.

IHL can be used as Aiming Point, but it is not optimum.

 

[bcoak]

So aiming pt is a point in the ground or ahead of the ball (or at/behind it)?
I really like this idea because it has allowed me to easily hit different shots (or avoid trouble). By moving my AP further ahead (all depending upon club)than "normal" I can almost be gauranteed to fade/slice it. A little farther back than "normal" I can draw/hook it. Should this be the case?

 

[Matt Taylor]

Pardon me if I'm still a little retarded on this, but it's a point on the ground that my hands will appear to "cover" at impact?

I don't come anywhere close to paying attention to such a thing. I just imagine my hands to be on a continuous track from the top that starts down first then straight through, and truthfully, I don't pay to much attention to that.

I think I'm missing something here.

 

[ThomGN]

-I read in another thread on the subject, that with longer clubs the AP was supposed to be more towards the target, than with shorter clubs. Is that right, and by how much. And one more time: can any of you tell us your approximate aiming points for ie. wedge, 5 iron and driver.

-Do any of you decide the aiming point for the shot at hand at impact fix?

-I saw that someone suggested to actually look at the aiming point instead of the ball during the stroke, how weird is that? comments?

 

[matt]

quote:Originally posted by ThomGN

-I read in another thread on the subject, that with longer clubs the AP was supposed to be more towards the target, than with shorter clubs. Is that right, and by how much. And one more time: can any of you tell us your approximate aiming points for ie. wedge, 5 iron and driver.

The longer the club, the more back the aiming point (in general). You have to experiment to find YOUR aiming points. For me, my short irons are about 2 inches in front of the ball. The driver ends up at the inside quadrant of the ball.

quote:-Do any of you decide the aiming point for the shot at hand at impact fix?

You can.

quote:-I saw that someone suggested to actually look at the aiming point instead of the ball during the stroke, how weird is that? comments?

It's not weird. I've experimented with it myself because it makes you really commit to delivering your thrust at the given aiming point.

 

[Brian Manzella]

No Mr. Taylor, the spot you COVER is 'impact hand location' which can be used as an Aiming Point.

But it is not THE AIming Point.

 

[bcoak]

why is it that AP is further in front of the ball with shorter irons and closer to the ball (and inside aft) with the driver?

 

[efnef]

quote:Originally posted by bcoak

why is it that AP is further in front of the ball with shorter irons and closer to the ball (and inside aft) with the driver?

Again, depends on the individual. But if you use the same ball placement for all clubs, my guess is that you have to compensate for shaft length in order to hit the little ball before you hit the big ball.

 

[drewitgolf]

quote:Originally posted by bcoak

why is it that AP is further in front of the ball with shorter irons and closer to the ball (and inside aft) with the driver?

Shorter clubs take less time to reach the in-line condition from a given release point than do longer clubs (6-E-2).

 

[wanole]

wouldn't the AP for a long club be further in front of the ball than the short clubs since the shaft is longer? If you aim at the ball with your hands for a driver won't you hit your right foot with the clubhead? How do your hands stay ahead of the clubhead/ball if you aim your hands at the ball?

THis just doesn't seem logical.

 

[MizunoJoe]

The hands stay ahead of the clubhead when you direct your hands at the ball for the same reason that the tip of an arrow stays ahead of the feathered end.

 

[Powerdraw]

quote:Originally posted by wanole

wouldn't the AP for a long club be further in front of the ball than the short clubs since the shaft is longer? If you aim at the ball with your hands for a driver won't you hit your right foot with the clubhead? How do your hands stay ahead of the clubhead/ball if you aim your hands at the ball?

THis just doesn't seem logical.

lets simplify this...in a nutshell, it takes more time to square up the face, so if you are aiming behind, you will square up earlier...
i hate using those terms but, it is TGM lol!