7-3 strokes basic

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wallywonga

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I am stuggling to visualise the meaning of the following sentences.

Because I can't picture it theres no chance I'm understanding it.

For hitting (10-19-a), the right forearm should be precisely in-line with and directly opposed to the motion of the on plane loading action (7-22) of the entire primary lever assembly (6-a) not just the clubshaft, and this alignment maintained through impact (2-J-3, 4-d)

For swinging (10-19-c) the right forearm should be precisely in-line with and directly opposed to the motion of the on plane loading action of the secondary lever assembly and this alignment maintained through impact.

Ok, I understand the primary and secondary lever assembly's. What is confusing me is the "precisley in-line with and directly opposed to the motion of the on plane loading action".

Perhaps there is a drill I can do with a club/dowel to help describe the motion and alignments.

If I can't understand this then the pages of the book turn no further.

So please and thanks in advance of your kind assistance.

Regards

Wally.
 
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EdZ

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In a nutshell, you want to 'support' (load) at 90 degrees. In hitting you haven't rotated the forearm as much, so when you are supporting from 'directly behind' the motion, you are also directly in line with the primary lever. In swinging, because you have rotated you can not be directly in line with the entire primary lever, only with the secondary lever.

Think of swinging a racquet between your thumb and index finger. In 'hitting' the racquet face would be 'perpendicular' to the plane of motion and hence if you wanted to 'load' it, to stop it from swinging one direction in order to send it exactly on plane in the other direction, the ONLY way to do this would be to apply force exactly at 90 degrees. Anything else would twist the face angle.

In swinging, because you are allowing the racquet face to be ON plane (horizontal to the plane of motion) You can't be directly behind it, you can only be directly behind the 'point of force' that you are pulling/pushing - PP1.

So in basic terms, think of this as 'clubhead' control and always load (change direction) at 90 degrees to the shaft ON PLANE.

Hopefully this helps
 
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FL-John

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Wanole:

EdZ speaks the truth...the biggest things is that if your right forearm is providing support on either the primary or secondary levers, it provides the greatest support and precise support when pushing at 90*. Think of it this way...if you wanted to push a grocery cart in a straight line, it would be easiest done by standing straight behind and pushing at 90*. If you were off to the side at an angle, you could not apply direct force behind the cart...the force you applied would be at somehwhat of an angle.

A drill to do is this, get at address with either two dowels or clubs, one in each hand. swing them both back about 3/4 of the way. In a mirror/window, look at the position of the right forearm compared to the left arm and/or club. The right forearm (ideally to HK) would be at 90*...you often hear of "Keep the right elbow pointing at the ground", etc...if your right forearm is 90* to the club/left arm, it may feel (based on your current motion) that your right arm is "flying"....however, that is all relative the the plane on which you are on.

When I first say Yoda demonstrate this, I thought the swamp vapors were getting to be too much as my elbow felt like a chicken wing. However, although the feel was different the first two range sessions, I now have my right forearm at approx 90* and my ball striking keeps gettin' better.

Another way to see this is to set up at address without any clubs. Take your right hand and grab your left wrist. Just as using extensor action, use your right forearm to pull the club to the top. Your right elbow will fold and look at the alignment of your right forearm to the left arm...if I do it, my right forearm aligns at a perfect right angle.

Let me know if you have any questions! You may as this took one awhile for me too understand and feel!!

FL-John
 
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lagster

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Wouldn't Elbow Position, and Wrist Action also be factors here?
Hitter-- Punch position/Single Wrist Action
Swinger--Pitch position/Standard Wrist Action
 
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FL-John

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Lag:

The wrist action will not matter that much...reason being is that the swinger will swivel in start-up to get the left hand palm down to the plane while the hitter will let the wrist rotate with the pivot (almost like one long swivel to the top). Since the swinger turns his left hand palm down in start-up, the "feel" of it being quarter turned comes in.

Elbow position will be a factor...I'll need to re-reference but I believe it is the reason that punch = supporting Primary Lever vs Swinging = supporting 2ndary lever.

FL-John
 
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Ringer

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quote:if you wanted to push a grocery cart in a straight line, it would be easiest done by standing straight behind and pushing at 90*
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No I wouldn't! I would want to be 180 degrees.

quote:if you wanted to push a grocery cart in a straight line, it would be easiest done by standing straight behind and pushing at 90*
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See above.

I've tried all the demonstrations, and they still are not making sense. The onlything that caught a glimmer of a chance was EdZ explanation with the raquet and how the face goes to be on plane for swingers where as hitters keep the face square to the rotation.

To me.. I think the picture I'm getting is best described if you take the left hand off the club for a second. In swinging, the club must come from off the shoulder and move down toward the right hip. If the right elbow is pinted at the right hip, this is rather simple to do.

But for hitting, I'm confused... can you give me a similar thing to do WITH the club which will illustrate this?
 
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matt

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90 degrees = pushing at a right angle to your shopping cart. I don't think you can push at 180 degrees, because 180 degrees is a straight line. You need to push perpendicular to it...90 degrees.
 
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FL-John

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Okay, bad analogy...but, if I wanted to push something straight, I would be straight behind it. If I was at any angle, I couldn't apply the force directly onto the cart. Check out this link of Tom Purtzer's swing....if you can freeze frame at the top (or even at 3/4 back) you will see how his right forearm is approaching 90* to his left arm...

http://www.v1home.com/SwingStore/Models/DCCB0407.avi

In the Martee Makeover CD, Yoda emphasized this as what Homer meant regarding the 90* relationship of the Flying Wedges.

FL-John
 
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matt

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The whole "90 degree" thing is that you're palm-to-palm and the wedges are directly opposing each other.

The right forearm's angle in relation to the left arm all depends on the amount of right wrist bend that's present - a lot of bend means closer to a 90 degree angle at the top. Less bend means "elbows closer" and a smaller angle at the top. But this is separate from the flying wedges 90 degree stuff, which is defined in my first sentence.
 
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EdZ

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Ringer, if you look at the drills I have outlined, one shows you the 'hitters' right hand, the other a 'swingers' right hand. Each pair with the left hand of the other approach (a hitters right hand with a swingers left and vice versa).
 
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