A before and after at the Open

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mgranato said:
Say it aint so! :eek: I'll pay anyone $10,000 if they can show a single putt that anyone ever willed into the hole. :) (Except for Hogan, of course, because many witnesses actually claim to have physically seen his will.)

I would say Tiger's will/want/desire/need to make a "big" putt now is greater than it has been at any point in his career.
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I think this may be part of the problem.
 
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I was stunned that after TW put on a ball striking clinic on Friday, he went to the range and started hitting more full shots with Foley and looking at the swing on video.

The Tiger from ten years ago would've been on the putting green into the dark, making one fifteen footer after another.

Lagging all those 12-20 foot putts up close to the hole for tap in pars was just lazy IMO, he should've tried to hole every one and GRINDED and taken his time and made the comeback putts.

WAAAAAAAAAAAY too many two putts were the difference. Back when he 'made every putt' they went in with pace. Now they trickle in. His mindset seems to have went from "I can make any putt from anywhere, just watch me" to "If I don't make it I will try and leave myself a tap in"

I don't know if that method putter is putting so much topspin on the ball that a good stroke can get away from him with too much pace or what but he doesn't look confident hitting putts firm.

This is still a good week for Tiger though, tied for a 3rd place finish, stevie didn't win, and an old guy showed him (as Darren Clarke did last year) that in spite of what the media thinks, the amount of time he has left to be able to win majors is quite extensive.
 
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Tiger-can't drive,can't putt.He basically got into third with course management and his course management these days is avoiding the driver at all cost.When he does hit one it's almost a banana slice.I just can't see him putting 4 good rounds together to win a major anymore if he can't drive and putt.

Scott-can't putt.His collapse started with a yipped three footer on 15.That really unsettled him and you could see it in his face.He was a goner at that point even with a 3 shot lead with 3 to play.
 
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for the record:failed to get up and down from the bunker on 15. yipped short putt on 16. missed the green left and didn't get up and down on 17. 18 didn't get up and down from the middle of the fairway.
 
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magicmarker said:
for the record:failed to get up and down from the bunker on 15. yipped short putt on 16. missed the green left and didn't get up and down on 17. 18 didn't get up and down from the middle of the fairway.
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Yes,that is correct as I am not thinking straight and still sick to my stomach seeing what happened.Adam is one of the nice guys on tour and I hope he does a McIlroy and bounce back to win the next major.
 
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DCgolf said:
Ah my friend, you have forgotten our old friend Shivas Irons, who reminded us: “Aye one field afore ye e'er swung. Our boy TW has lost his connection to the "field". FEAR, (False Expectations Appearing Real) has reared it's ugly head and set up camp in his golfing soul (AKA the putting stroke) He is headed into the abyss, the eternal resting place for the greats of yesteryear... Foley, Haney, Harmon- all pawns, mere bit players on the stage where fear and doubt are featured. As that great American Philospher, Sam Snead, once so eloquently quipped: "The yips: once you've had em, you got em"!

Take the same putting stroke and wedge swing he has right now, not one change, execute them with more self belief (will) and my money is on better results. Ever play a great practice round and suck in the tournament?
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What about a sucky practice round and great tournament? I'll take execution over will or how well I like myself that day. :)

I have always preferred a poor to lousy warm-up (in every sport I've played). It puts me on edge and hyper aware of what I'm doing. My lowest rounds and highest point games all came after embarrassing warm-ups. Is it possible to find self belief in self doubt?
 
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mgranato said:
What about a sucky practice round and great tournament? I'll take execution over will or how well I like myself that day. :)

I have always preferred a poor to lousy warm-up (in every sport I've played). It puts me on edge and hyper aware of what I'm doing. My lowest rounds and highest point games all came after embarrassing warm-ups. Is it possible to find self belief in self doubt?
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I do think it's possible to find focus under the right circumstances from self doubt.
 
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I'm not sure, PM. I don't think those are healthy or sustaining forms of motivation. Fear of failure and embarrassment are largely "outside" emotions, and trying to play under those influences are difficult at best.

I find a certain amount of comfort in being uncomfortable. It just engages something extra that doesn't exist on those "easy" days. It's like the golf gods tilt things out of my favor - that's motivating! :mad:
 
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mgranato said:
I'm not sure, PM. I don't think those are healthy or sustaining forms of motivation. Fear of failure and embarrassment are largely "outside" emotions, and trying to play under those influences are difficult at best.

I find a certain amount of comfort in being uncomfortable. It just engages something extra that doesn't exist on those "easy" days. It's like the golf gods tilt things out of my favor - that's motivating! :mad:
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It's a running joke with me and my golf buddies but it seems true nonetheless...good to great range sessions breed crapy rds and vice versa. I dunno why.
 
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Fear of failure, what Jack used as his motivation, is quite common in great athletes I believe. But fear while performing is what cripples athletes, renders them, if not helpless, certainly less capable. Any time you begin a statement by saying "what if" it is a fear based statement, and you've accented the don'ts and ignored the dos. I believe what freaks Tiger out is the sudden, mid-career emergence of his mortalty, Like "wow I can lose, he might actually beat me; But I'm Tiger Woods, this is not supposed to happen". Then we get the sneaker in the dryer and the same thoughts keep tumbling nosily round the brain. It used to be soooo QUIET in there!
 
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conkanen said:
It's a running joke with me and my golf buddies but it seems true nonetheless...good to great range sessions breed crapy rds and vice versa. I dunno why.
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Glad to know I'm not the only one. :) When we're making bets and setting teams, one guy in particular always asks, "How'd you hit it on the range?" I don't always answer truthfully. :eek:
 
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DCgolf said:
Fear of failure, what Jack used as his motivation, is quite common in great athletes I believe. But fear while performing is what cripples athletes, renders them, if not helpless, certainly less capable. Any time you begin a statement by saying "what if" it is a fear based statement, and you've accented the don'ts and ignored the dos. I believe what freaks Tiger out is the sudden, mid-career emergence of his mortalty, Like "wow I can lose, he might actually beat me; But I'm Tiger Woods, this is not supposed to happen". Then we get the sneaker in the dryer and the same thoughts keep tumbling nosily round the brain. It used to be soooo QUIET in there!
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This a good paragraph DC ... funny and insightful. It must be disheartening to play as a mortal once you have had the experience of playing up on Olympus. Mortals know that they are imperfect. Former Gods need to learn, adapt and play to a new reality (and maybe smile a bit more).

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mgranato said:
Glad to know I'm not the only one. :) When we're making bets and setting teams, one guy in particular always asks, "How'd you hit it on the range?" I don't always answer truthfully. :eek:
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Yup...before my last rd I was hitting lowish draws some people might call ducks with driver:)...it scared the beJesus outta me cause I hadn't hit that shot in years on the course or range...I went on to stripe the Driver all day. Weird.
 
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conkanen said:
Yup...before my last rd I was hitting lowish draws some people might call ducks with driver:)...it scared the beJesus outta me cause I hadn't hit that shot in years on the course or range...I went on to stripe the Driver all day. Weird.
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I was at talking to a student while he was warming up on the range for the member member and he hits at least ten shanks in a row. 8 handicap or so. He turns to me and says "don't worry, I never do that on the course". Now that's some good self confidence.
 
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