A break through from a break down

[puttmaster]

My first golf lesson, back in 1968, included the setting of a pre-turned right hip. It was that particular instructor's anti-slice cure for beginners and was part of his formula to encourage an inside-out swing.

Fast forward a few years, and another instructor added the building block of maintaining the tush line (against the wall drill), which was his cure for my early thrust/extension.

Those two combined thoughts have served me well over the years and are the first two things that I self-analyze when the swing goes awry. So, instead of BBKIB, I've always thought of the combo as "set and stay" (and you won't sway).

The point being, it's usually helpful to attach some cute name or acronym to something that you want to remember. My problem is that I have so many of them that my golf brain is like a Rolodex flipping through them in search of the right one.

 

[mgranato]

Dear mgranato'

If I did my math correctly, your only having 262 yards left on a 622 yard hole, leaves 360 yards for the drive you were saying was giving you a problem. From my peephole, that is a very nice problem to have, and to get a bit serious now, the club head speed you produced for that drive MUST have come from YOUR OPTIMUM kinematic sequence, and OPTIMUM use of the several TORQUE generators in your RECOVERING body.

So, mgranato, I have a VERY SERIOUS REQUEST that I promise will be of great benefit to you, to me, and to the golfing community we are trying to help. PLEASE consider rehabilitating by making a commitment to 'Bumpy back, keep it back', it has unbelievable science-based dynamic balancing characteristics inherent in this simple set-up and early transition "to-do" instructions. I HAVE NOT exposed this level of depth, as I consider it would start to reveal what I presently consider a path to the intellectual property I hope some day to, as my son says, 'monetize'. But you can certainly imagine that with the other two areas of great 'dynamic' interest to me, the upper body/torso, and left shoulder complex, the 10% distance and up to 50% dispersion improvements from just the lower body balancing IMO, is just the 'foundation' of the swing speed and accuracy growth possible for ALL golfers, including you going thru this rehabilitation period.

You may have noticed I identified 'Bumpy back...., as a "to-do instruction". That is an expression from Tim Gallwey's "Inner Game of Golf" book, often referred to in the Chapter, "Awareness Instruction". In addition to my 5 year trip thru the dynamics of the swing, I pledged to use 'Awareness LEARNING', as the most efficient way to deploy this 'self optimizing and dynamically balancing' methodology. In fact, several years ago, in my writings, I gave it the name of BODIGolf, for Body Optimized and Dynamically Integrated Golf. If/when I start to publish the details of what I am doing, I believe this almost acronym best describes what I am trying to have the golfer accomplish.

So, as you ramp up on your structured golf swing and rotator-cuff rehab, please use especially the "keep it back" part of this system, and continue to self record the 'AWARENESS' that for EVERY swing, follow the flight of the ball, and then ask yourself if you were DEFINITELY aware that you did consciously have your "Bumpy back", and did "keep it back". If you COULD NOT say "yes" to BOTH of these questions, I do not consider that shot a valid shot. While this may sound too disciplined, I am sure you do this with you grip, stance, waggle etc, EXCEPT those have become WELL TRAINED HABITS, and 'Bumpy back, keep it back' has not, YET.

Finally mgranato, I said earlier, "I have a very serious request", and certainly will understand if you think this is NOT in keeping with your plans for your career and profession, but I will be glad to discuss more of the details with you and other select members of Brians 'team' if that would help in your making this decision.

Please just PM me, and I will respond with appropriate contact information.

Respectively, and appreciatively,
art

Full disclosure, the course was sloppy enough that they set that hole up one tee forward (23 yards) than what the tournament card was printed with, so not a 360 drive.

I’m committed to ingraining the swing I had that day, it’s what I’ve been trying to do since my lesson back in March. I was able to do it with Brian there monitoring each swing, but the further I got from the lesson and the more I relied on what was familiar, the less I was able to replicate what we’d worked on.

Looking back, I believe the difference was in the “how” rather the the “what”. I had tried to have my hips wait (almost passively) until the thorax was were it needed to be. I had the hardest time making the “wait” work. Last week I recalled the “gas pedal” feeling that EKennedy talked about a while back. For whatever reason, that clicked for me like it hadn’t before. Stepping on the pedal, pushing it through that soft mushy turf slowly and steadily while the rest of the swing did its thing seemed to be the missing link for me. As long as my mind was involved in making that move with the right foot/leg/hip, the rest of the swing happened quite easily without any “help”. I guess it was an active waiting rather than the passive waiting I had been trying.

The difference in that swing, and my “normal” swing felt night and day, but I bet on video they’d be very similar looking. It’s an amazing thing how drastically insignificant looking these significant little changes can be.

The “what” I’ve been trying to do is to “keep it back”, the “how” I was doing it was the break through. I’d be happy to share what happens going forward.

 

[mgranato]

'Bumpy back, keep it back'

Am I the only one sick of reading this stupid ass phrase?

Have we not learned anything from Virtuoso's friends? Is using laymen's terms such a bad thing? Don't be this guy...

 

[magicmarker]

BBKIB. It does work, for me anyway. I can see the improvement in my driver all the way down to the putter. Granted I have to remind myself before every shot bumpy back, KEEP IT BACK! Art if you are interested I will pm you with more detailed progress and why I feel it has worked so well, if you are interested. Thanks Art and everyone else who has coerced more of Art's research into so many threads, I finally get why he is so passionate about this BBKIB.

 

[art]

My first golf lesson, back in 1968, included the setting of a pre-turned right hip. It was that particular instructor's anti-slice cure for beginners and was part of his formula to encourage an inside-out swing.

Fast forward a few years, and another instructor added the building block of maintaining the tush line (against the wall drill), which was his cure for my early thrust/extension.

Those two combined thoughts have served me well over the years and are the first two things that I self-analyze when the swing goes awry. So, instead of BBKIB, I've always thought of the combo as "set and stay" (and you won't sway).

The point being, it's usually helpful to attach some cute name or acronym to something that you want to remember. My problem is that I have so many of them that my golf brain is like a Rolodex flipping through them in search of the right one.

Dear puttmaster,

Thanks for the background, in your case back to 1968.


Mine did not occur until 2006 and 2007, when two west coast professional instructors suggested I too place my right(trail) hip further back (more closed) before my back swing.

The difference with them, and I would bet with your references, is that they found this by 'trial and error' to work, and have no clue as to why, and how it differs for each golfer.

My work is still, in scientific terms, a 'hypothesis' regarding the criticality of lower body dynamic stability, but IMO, because of the degree of success over the past 5 years, it has a great chance of becoming 'golf truth'.

Sincerely,
art

 

[art]

'Bumpy back, keep it back'

Am I the only one sick of reading this stupid ass phrase?

Dear JonWil and Frans@France,

The author of each thread IMO, is very interested in meaningful comments and responses to his/her concerns.

I have NO knowledge as to the threads they have read, so I assume they have no previous knowledge of what I have previously posted.

So, as my commitment is to just respond to others concerns, SO get used to 'Bumpy back, keep it back', or SKIP ALL MY FUTURE POSTS.

That is my preference since I have taken the time to review the past month of both of your posts and find them lacking in constructive inputs, and in this case JonWil VERY UNNECESSARY PROFANITY.

No response necessary or desired,
art

 

[art]

BBKIB. It does work, for me anyway. I can see the improvement in my driver all the way down to the putter. Granted I have to remind myself before every shot bumpy back, KEEP IT BACK! Art if you are interested I will pm you with more detailed progress and why I feel it has worked so well, if you are interested. Thanks Art and everyone else who has coerced more of Art's research into so many threads, I finally get why he is so passionate about this BBKIB.

Dear magicmarker,

I would very much appreciate a PM with further details.

I am pleased with the success you are having AND now for the first time will predict that with this increase stability, ALL subsequent shot shaping, and advanced moves for the arms, wrists etc. will have a STABLE base from which to operate, allowing further improvement..

That is a point I intend to make in detail, in a future post, when appropriate, as this STABILITY is the 'gateway' for what we know in the applied science field as 'continuous improvement'. A lofty, but IMO, an attainable goal with today's abilities to MEASURE golf progress.

Appreciatively,
art

 

[JEREMY5577]

Dear magicmarker,

I would very much appreciate a PM with further details.

I am pleased with the success you are having AND now for the first time will predict that with this increase stability, ALL subsequent shot shaping, and advanced moves for the arms, wrists etc. will have a STABLE base from which to operate, allowing further improvement..

That is a point I intend to make in detail, in a future post, when appropriate, as this STABILITY is the 'gateway' for what we know in the applied science field as 'continuous improvement'. A lofty, but IMO, an attainable goal with today's abilities to MEASURE golf progress.

Appreciatively,
art

Not magicmarker, but, I was going to start a thread about the ability to work the ball with the added stability. In particular the cut shot. The best part of BBKIB so far is the baby cuts I can hit. Did not have that shot before. Now I'm looking for reasons to hit it.

 

[birly-shirly]

[...] I have taken the time to review the past month of both of your posts and find them lacking in constructive inputs, and in this case JonWil VERY UNNECESSARY PROFANITY.

No response necessary or desired,
art

JonWil - having been thus prompted to search your posting history, I now feel moved to express my profound disappointment in what I didn't find.

I went all the way back to February and couldn't even find any NECESSARY profanity - although I'll admit my speed reading sometimes lets me down. If I've missed any gems, could you please PM me?

 

[Brian Manzella]

It should be noted that some folks will find just turing the hip from square at address, and then leaving it back—or getting it more back in the transition—is all they need.

Pivoting like crazy work for some, but for others, it's crazy.

 

[dschultz6072]

It should be noted that some folks will find just turing the hip from square at address, and then leaving it back—or getting it more back in the transition—is all they need.

This is kind of in contradiction of "parallel railroad track" alignment, eh?

 

[art]

It should be noted that some folks will find just turing the hip from square at address, and then leaving it back—or getting it more back in the transition—is all they need.

Pivoting like crazy work for some, but for others, it's crazy.

Dear Brian,
I certainly hope you did not, and do not mean to reduce ‘Bumpy back, keep it back’, and all the associated dynamic balance and stability science to a ‘one line’ golf tip. I have NO problem with you or any teacher ‘implementing’ these lower body scientific findings with a personalized language, certainly after reading that some of the folks on this site feel ‘Bumpy back.. ‘ is a “stupid ass phrase” . A rose is a rose, but in the case of ‘Bumpy back’, this rose has a lot of analytical and test background, and soon will have verified and “deep scientific roots”.

As for ‘Pivoting like crazy work for some..”, the golf teaching profession IMO, needs to pay more attention to ‘accuracy and dispersion’ than distance. Further IMO, they also have the obligation to point out the injury potential of dramatically increased angular velocities and accelerations, but MOST IMPORTANTLY angular decelerations.

Sincerely, (and appreciative of the honest and open dialog/polylog),
art

 

[dannyc]

Dear JonWil and Frans@France,


That is my preference since I have taken the time to review the past month of both of your posts and find them lacking in constructive inputs, and in this case JonWil VERY UNNECESSARY PROFANITY.

No response necessary or desired,
art

Art,

Although I can understand you taking offense to the comment, you also must understand that you reply to each thread you post in with the same information and phrase. Both of these guys have been members for years, and Frans is an extremely knowledgeable club fitter whose input has been very helpful in countless threads.

 

[faux_maestro]

Art,

Although I can understand you taking offense to the comment, you also must understand that you reply to each thread you post in with the same information and phrase. Both of these guys have been members for years, and Frans is an extremely knowledgeable club fitter whose input has been very helpful in countless threads.

It's unnecessary though. If I'm sick of reading someone's posts I add them to the ignore list or just skip over their posts.