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Ringer

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I've been working really hard on getting my right elbow in front of my right hip through impact. Well, yesterday I really made an effort not to just position it there, but to make it go HARD and accellerate as much as I could to the finish with it. Not just to hit the ball.. but to just get to the finish as fast as I could.

I have never had that kind of compression before. I finally saw a few more yards with my irons. (Not with my woods because I'm puting so much more spin on the ball I've actually lost yardage.. need to get less lofted driver now)

For the majority of my career, I've always been a straight hitter of the ball. Fairways and greens were never an issue. But the thing that always kept me down was the precision accuracy of the irons. It's hard to make birdies when all you can do is go for the middle of the green.

Well, yesterday I felt confident enough to go play with the new right elbow intention. For 9 holes I shot 6 under. Including a 175 yard 7 iron with a draw that ended 2 feet from the hole exactly the way I had envisioned it. 3 times I actually hit the flagstick and nearly had 2 hole in ones including the one I mentioned. Another birdie came on a 195 yard par 3 into a stiff wind with a 4 iron. Just 5 feet away.

Anybody wanna sponsor a playa? :D

(BTW, the new move was inspired by realizing I was executing 10-3-A when my swing calls for 10-3-B)
 
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Burner

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Ringer,

Can you give us a breakdown of your entire swing in intention and, therefore, component terms please.
 
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Ringer

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Eeeeek.. what a task you ask of me Burner. I'll give it a go.

Component - Variation
1 - A Overlap
2 - B Strong Single Action
3 - B Pitch (used to be Punch)
4 - D Four Barrel (used to be C#4 Triple Barrel)
5 - A Square-Square
6 - B Turned Shoulder Plane
7 - B Single Shift
8 - N/A (I don't do an impact fix)
9 - A Standard
10 - D Dual Horizontal
11 - D All Four Accumulators
12 - A Standard Pivot (As opposed to the popular Delayed Pivot)
13 - D On Plane
14 - A Standard
15 - B Delayed (But freely as per Component 12)
16 - C Right Anchor
17 - C Flat Left
18 - F Special (Single action backswing, standard forwardswing)
19 - C Drag Loading
20 - B Right Arm Throw (Used to be C.. another effect of the new right elbow position.. in fact this could be seen as the primary change I have made instead of component 3)
21 - B Side
22 - B Random Sweep
23 - E Circlular Delivery
24 - A Full Sweep Release

Let me know if you want me to expand on one of these components.
 
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matt

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That pattern, on paper, looks like it would produce some rather errant shots. Your chosen variations in components 3, 4, 10, 19, 20, and 23 all surprise me - i.e. they don't mix easily.
 
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ldeit

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Ringer,

3,4,10,19 are in the swinging pattern in 12-2-0. However 20-B is recommended for the hitting pattern 12-1-0. As Matt has suggested, you may be working with incompatible components.

I have spent the last 2 years studying TGM to determine my basic pattern so I am using components are compatible. Also spent a half day with holenone in Atlanta to determine which pattern was best for me.

ldeit
 
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bantamben1

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whatever you are doing ringer keep doing it and hope that it sticks around i myself have also had days like you describe but the next time i went out the magic was gone. i hope the pattern youve created continues to give you good results.
 
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densikat

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Great news, I would say your pattern outline is slightly misguided as has been mentioned above.

To take a stab I would say the better results are probably coming because the right wrist is remaining bent longer through the impact interval, hence the better compression, and your right forearm is probably getting much closer to providing maximum onplane support.

About the pattern you selected.

You cant be 4 barrel from your top of backswing position, from your top of backswing position it would have to be 4 barrel swinging, which I believe Homer came to think was impossible in his latter years, only the 4 barrel hit is possible which would come from a much shorter backswing.
I would say you are probably using straight line delivery (much preferred to circle) and automatic snap not full sweep (deeper right elbow position you describe would lean more to automatic snap usually)

but 6- , that is some serious scoring... and yes you are a swinger so 10-3-B is a good call
 
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Ringer

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I am not going to refute any of your oppinions, but I will say that circular path is quite posible if the right arm extension is occuring WHILE the right elbow is moving toward it's pitch position. I am still tracing a RIM. Difficult for others maybe.. but it is quite an effective proceedure for me so far. I will experiment with differing components only if I begin to see a breakdown in my current proceedure. This is where I feel many people could easily get lost with TGM. YOUR perfection is NOT Homer's perfection. My proceedure works for me, but may not have been advisable by him.

I would also like to add that until I began positioning the right elbow as I have, I fully believe I was in a Triple Barrel sequence of accumulators. Without the 1st accumulator I was quite the swinger. Now that I have added the 1st accumulator. As per 6-M-1.. I have a much greater amount of THRUST (and the reason I feel the accelleration go all the way to the finish) and indeed do follow the release sequence he says.. #4,#1,#2,#3. Also realize that my wrists are extreamly limp, so my lag is very much of the Drag variety. The trick here with my delivery path is that right arm extensor action happening quite earlier in the swing. It is not built around maximum trigger delay but for maximum width. Indeed my swing is quite tricky and I would never recommend anyone else trying to imitate it. But it seems to work for me as is evident by the pin seeking missles.
 
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MizunoJoe

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You could be what hn1 diagnosed me to be - a Hitter who thinks he's a Swinger - a "Switter". Or maybe a right arm Swinger. But you are NOT a 4-barrel Swinger, cause there ain't no such animal.
 
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Ringer

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Regretably, I did not include this comment in my above post..

I am very cautious about any permanant changes. Rest assured that all of your comments have been written down and I WILL experiment with them. There may be better proceedures than what I do, and they may fit well with my stroke pattern. But I will ALWAYS try before I buy... and I don't drop a concept until I have achieved it or it is so apparent that it cannot be done. I will not USE it until I am confident in it.

MizJoe - I have never labled myself as a swinger or hitter. Others have done that. But I submit the following to you.. I can hit the ball equally efficiently if I remove my left or right hand, both in direction and distance.
 
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rundmc

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You may not be able to classify it, but sounds like you've got something figured out. 6 under is strong like a garlic milkshake!
 
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MizunoJoe

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Ringer,

Congratulations on finding an obviously sound stroke pattern, whatever it is in TGM terms. You don't label yourself, BUT, there are only two ways to move a club - with a side force on the handle or a pulling along the shaft. You MUST do one or the other, there is no alternative. So you are "labelable", even though you don't do it.

The fact that you are equally efficient with either arm alone, means that you might be equally proficient at Swinging and Hitting, OR that you can Swing equally well with either hand. Couple's teacher, Paul Marchand, prescribes left arm only and right arm only drills as part of Fred's swing maintenance routine.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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quote:Originally posted by Ringer

(Not with my woods because I'm puting so much more spin on the ball I've actually lost yardage.. need to get less lofted driver now)
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Well i know you're mr. equipment specialist but you if i may, you may not need a lower lofted driver but just a stiffer tip shaft. I'm always between a S and a X and i always end up with S flex shafts tipped around an inch otherwise i get big ole balloon balls even with my 8* driver
 
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TYORKE1

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Ringer, in regular golf terms can you describe what you are feeling. I like tgm but to lazy to learn the terminolgy, TIM
 
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Ringer

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quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

Ringer,

Congratulations on finding an obviously sound stroke pattern, whatever it is in TGM terms. You don't label yourself, BUT, there are only two ways to move a club - with a side force on the handle or a pulling along the shaft. You MUST do one or the other, there is no alternative. So you are "labelable", even though you don't do it.

The fact that you are equally efficient with either arm alone, means that you might be equally proficient at Swinging and Hitting, OR that you can Swing equally well with either hand. Couple's teacher, Paul Marchand, prescribes left arm only and right arm only drills as part of Fred's swing maintenance routine.
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Is it not possible to PULL the club halfway, and PUSH the rest? Or vice versa? ;)
 
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Ringer

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quote:Originally posted by jim_0068

quote:Originally posted by Ringer

(Not with my woods because I'm puting so much more spin on the ball I've actually lost yardage.. need to get less lofted driver now)
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Well i know you're mr. equipment specialist but you if i may, you may not need a lower lofted driver but just a stiffer tip shaft. I'm always between a S and a X and i always end up with S flex shafts tipped around an inch otherwise i get big ole balloon balls even with my 8* driver
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The only change I could make to the shaft would be in the kick point. If I changed the shaft flex, I would have to alter my swing. This I know through much experience already. I want to drop down the loft on my woods because they were already a tad bit high before. 9 Degree Nike Driver and 10 degree Alpha 2 is much too much for me.

I originally had the Nike at 9 because at the time of it's purchase I had a much lower trajectory. The Alpha 2 was won at the FGI event recently here in Arizona.
 
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