Aaron Baddeley Swing Analysis by Brian Manzella, PGA, G.S.E.D.

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dodger said:
Look at the players these guys are teaching, all are in great physical shape. Jason Gore went to them and left, my thought is that he probably lacked the flexibility to stay on the left side and pivot in the manner they teach. My point is that swaying is definitely harmful, but so is staying on the left foot and lifting your arms, thinking you made a backswing. I also have had too much movement in the backswing and have worked on a steady head, but without pivot, ouch.
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I haven't looked at Jason's swing in a while but from what i remember he plays a slight over the top cut type shot.

like i've said before, it won't work for someone like that. this type of move works best for those swinging too inside/out and leaning too far right.
 
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Just My Opinion

Personally, except for the Finish, I can't connect anything (body specific) in the GD article with the sequence posted here. Considering Brian's analysis and assuming the sequence is post PB influence, hopefully they or someone close to them will comment. Their objective of eliminating the right to left shift (page 120) has not obviously been achieved in this example.

My take on the GD article, which I viewed positively, is that they want a more rotary motion. And, this is to be achieved by positioning the target side at the Top closer to where it is at Impact. I had the same reaction to the Peter Croker pivot demonstrated in the meeting with Brian. However, Peter produced more secondary axis tilt (preset at address) and a significantly different shoulder rotation.
 
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dodger said:
Look at the players these guys are teaching, all are in great physical shape. Jason Gore went to them and left, my thought is that he probably lacked the flexibility to stay on the left side and pivot in the manner they teach. My point is that swaying is definitely harmful, but so is staying on the left foot and lifting your arms, thinking you made a backswing. I also have had too much movement in the backswing and have worked on a steady head, but without pivot, ouch.
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Umm lack of work. too big a change
 
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The Pattern

This sequence is from the Golf Digest video of Badds on the online version of this article.

So it is very recent and obviously approved by the teachers.
 
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Here's one......from 2001 according to redgoat's site:



2001......if I remember right from looking at the stats this is about when he started going (or was already going) downhill on tour.

Not sure if this sequence reflects that or is part of it.

Wish I could find a good sequence from 98ish-2000ish......I think that was when he was smokin it. (THE BALL)

(after that he might've started smokin something else)
 
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The V1 software site has several videos of Baddeley dated June of 06.
I see no difference in his swing versus the sequence Brian posted.
In order to get the model videos you have to download the free video analysis software. Highly recommended - it is free.
 
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Question: What do you think of Aarons right arm position in the backswing? Personally I have a hell of a time trying to keep it that close to my body but I get the concept. Anyhow, I wondering if Brian could speak to the function of the right arm from address to the top of the backswing. What is ideal? I feel like mine flies a little which gets the club past parallel and accross the line which really gets me pissed because I want to keep it down as Aaron does here.

Any thoughts/tips as to (A) defining what is ideal and (B) how to train my arm to stay down.
 
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kshoren05 said:
Question: What do you think of Aarons right arm position in the backswing? Personally I have a hell of a time trying to keep it that close to my body but I get the concept. Anyhow, I wondering if Brian could speak to the function of the right arm from address to the top of the backswing. What is ideal? I feel like mine flies a little which gets the club past parallel and accross the line which really gets me pissed because I want to keep it down as Aaron does here.

Any thoughts/tips as to (A) defining what is ideal and (B) how to train my arm to stay down.
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K,
I think you'll find right arm position is a function of your own personal physiology.
A person with short arms (relative to the width of their shoulders) will find it easier to be in "correct" (?) position with their right upper arm "tucked" than someone with long arms.

I have long arms. If I try to keep my right upper arm tucked at the top it either: forces my left arm to bend at the elbow, or if I keep the left arm straight, the angle of my right forearm will be strange, i.e. angled so my right wrist is outside my right elbow.. pretty uncomfortable...:eek:
Therefore, I don't do it..:D
 
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Patty,
That is why Miller in his day was phenomonal at hitting it close. His iron play was unbelievably accurate.
 
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Took a lesson recently with Jim Petralia and I asked him about Johnny Miller, specifically his hip action because it was unique. Anyhow he said he had a similar hip thing going and while taking a lesson from Ben Doyle in the early 80's Ben said to him 'I see a lot of Johnny Miller in your swing...Johnny Miller is a Cadillac, you are Chevy!'. Thought that was hilarious and a great story.
 
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flapro said:
Patty,
That is why Miller in his day was phenomonal at hitting it close. His iron play was unbelievably accurate.
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Sorry,

That is just not acurate.

That sequence is from 1970-72 when Miller was having some strange problems like SHANKING.

He fixed his pivot, made it much more orthodox and from US OPEN '73 through first three tournamnets of '75 was the best player in the world.

I have posted the difference of the Trevino "reverse look" and the later better Trevino "standard" look (he played better too, and the Miller pics).

I have to do a search and find it.
 
birdie_man

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patty

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great pictures.

Would be nice to see both Johnny Miller shots using the same club.

I honestly can't see much difference.

Left heel raised. Different Club

give me that swing anytime!!
 
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Regardless of what you think you know or don't know, Miller was one of the best iron players of all time-That my friend is a known fact.
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Brian Manzella said:
Sorry,

That is just not acurate.

That sequence is from 1970-72 when Miller was having some strange problems like SHANKING.

He fixed his pivot, made it much more orthodox and from US OPEN '73 through first three tournamnets of '75 was the best player in the world.

I have posted the difference of the Trevino "reverse look" and the later better Trevino "standard" look (he played better too, and the Miller pics).

I have to do a search and find it.
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Brian Manzella

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Yikes...

The fact that you can't tell these guys were SWINGING DIFFERENTLY in the earlier pics—disregarding the fact the club is longer—makes me wonder why I try so hard to smarten everyone up.

Camera Angles, longer club...etc...

How about this one:

Different pattern.

As far as the Miller being the best iron player, I totally agree, but, please read again and tell me why YOUR POST was wrong.

Never mind....I'll do it for you:

Miller was good, a top 20 player in the earlier sequence. The later sequence he was THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD.

Miller had a REVERSE POVOT PROBLEM over the years (but not mid '73 to early '75), and when he went into a severe slump, AND NO ONE COULD FIX HIM, you know who did?

Jimmy Ballard.

Apologies accepted. ;)
 
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