Alignment and plane lines

[welshdentist]

I have read a lot of forum archive stuff here and all over the place lately (bit quiet on the teeth front)

It is so easy to get sucked into one method it's untrue

I had a TGM overload going on and it is VERY easy to not realise it is just a way of describing all motions, not a HOW TO......

Back on course finding MY pattern and working on a better pivot through the ball

Would I be correct in saying it does not matter too much where your body is aligned (within reason ) as long as you trace your plane line to your target, compress the ball the right amount and it goes where you want it to and as far as you want it to? (I know the answer but wonder if there are any long term dangers to this)

I have been working on my backswing keeping it more to a Soft Draw type pattern backswing (was getting a bit of pop out, too much arm life and laid off again) and at the range my target was along the mat line, I laid a club down approx along my feet parallel and then tapped it over to be "closed". Set my body parallel to the club.

I make my routine backswing and on the way down in my head "traced a plane line" to my target and got lovely compression and a slight draw/straight shot.

Would I be correct in saying everyone has their own "ideal" alignment?

This alignment is not the same as desired path/selected plane line, but how you stand to ideallly make a swing on your selected to target plane line/path

Would Snead of been a little similar, set up closed and traced a plane line straight to his target? (My only comparison to Snead )

If you get a chance Brian, why does this help me feel like I stop getting underplane and my pivot works much better?

Aoplogies to the forum but i'm in question overdrive.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Would I be correct in saying it does not matter too much where your body is aligned (within reason ) as long as you trace your plane line to your target, compress the ball the right amount and it goes where you want it to and as far as you want it to? (I know the answer but wonder if there are any long term dangers to this)

No, stance alignment as an effect on opening/closing the plane line relative to the swingpath of the club.

Would I be correct in saying everyone has their own "ideal" alignment?

For the particular shot and pattern yes

This alignment is not the same as desired path/selected plane line, but how you stand to ideallly make a swing on your selected to target plane line/path

See first response

If you get a chance Brian, why does this help me feel like I stop getting underplane and my pivot works much better?

People who swing to far to the right and swing underplane, by opening up your stance you have effectively opened the plane line and thus moved the path slightly left of where it woudl have been at square or closed. Essentially you have found an "easy fix" for swinging too inside/out. Just play from an open stance, worked for Trevino and Couples.

 

[wedgeplay]

Open Plane Line

My problem has been I swing way too much inside out.


I've played some really good golf from an open stance.

Even though the golf machine can be very technical, Homer Kelley thought you need to experiment with different stances to see what worked for you.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

My problem has been I swing way too much inside out.


I've played some really good golf from an open stance.

Even though the golf machine can be very technical, Homer Kelley thought you need to experiment with different stances to see what worked for you.

Again, the open stance opens the plane line and pull "pull" your path a bit further left even if you aren't "trying to." This is why under planers like to play from an open stance when it goes bad

 

[cmartingolf]

Would I be correct in saying it does not matter too much where your body is aligned (within reason ) as long as you trace your plane line to your target, compress the ball the right amount and it goes where you want it to and as far as you want it to? (I know the answer but wonder if there are any long term dangers to this)

My mentor, George Knudson, was a closed stance player too. He definitely had a look of swinging his arms across his body to his finish. He played a draw most of the time. Regarded by his peers as the best striker of his era on Tour. Average to crappy putter and loved the adult beverages. Still managed to win about 8 times.

 

[welshdentist]

That's a good description of how it felt, arms across the body to a "flatter" follow through (back friendly).

When I say closed, I meant not much more than Brians alignment thoughts, closed to "pop" instruction would be more accurate.

Thanks for all the input

 

[welshdentist]

No, stance alignment as an effect on opening/closing the plane line relative to the swingpath of the club.
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Jim,

Thanks for the response, I think what I wanted to know would be if everyone has a particular stance alignment for their target plane line?

It would only be parallel to that plane line for a certain number of golfers who have very good dynamics?

For example, if a golfer hits it straight to target with "ideal" path/clubface D-plane dynamics but all body/stance alignments are closed to this plane line, but repeats time after time (a consistant pull?) then that is the correct stance alignment for that golfers pattern?

I think what I was getting at that if the golfer strikes the ball well, has a neutral ball flight and is happy with the height then if the targeting is off he might be better finding "his" particular stance alignment to that plane line, rather that adjust his downswing to trace that line coming down from a parallel stance alignment.

People who swing to far to the right and swing underplane, by opening up your stance you have effectively opened the plane line and thus moved the path slightly left of where it woudl have been at square or closed. Essentially you have found an "easy fix" for swinging too inside/out. Just play from an open stance, worked for Trevino and Couples.

If feel when I aim left I hang back more and come underplane more to get the ball to start to target. I understand what you are saying but for me it seems to make me worse. I guess it might be how I swing the club or I not getting the concept as I feel that when I aim right and trace a line to target that hitting a "pull" feels a little "over the top" the opposite of the under plane feeling that seems to worsen when aligned "open".

Why am I feeling it that way....

(Far too long a lost, sorry)