Allen Doyle's Swing

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What does everyone think of Allen Doyle's Swing? It fascinates me every time I see him play. Would this be a good swing of an amateur to imitate?

Here is an interesting quote from an online article (http://www.ussenioropen.com/2005/news/interviews/allen-doyle-7-31-05.html):

Q. Could you tell how that swing of yours developed and how you came up with it and why you stuck with it all these years?

ALLEN DOYLE: Well, it developed in a low ceiling basement. I was born and raised right outside of Boston. I was a hockey player mainly when I was a kid. And when hockey was over and there was still snow out, I'd go down in the cellar and half swing for hours. I know that sounds odd, but I didn't have anything else to do, and I wasn't an A student so I wasn't doing my homework (laughter). And it worked for me. You know, at that point in time, I just wanted to be the best caddie player at the club.

Then when I was the best caddie I only wanted to be competitive in the state, and it worked for me, so there was no reason to change. I had guys tell me, the assistant pros at the golf course tell me, if you don't change your swing, you'll never amount to anything in this game, and when I see him and I've seen him since then but they were also the guys that I wouldn't take any lessons from because they couldn't beat me anyway. We had an old pro that would tell me, "If a guy can't beat you, don't take a lesson from him because if he was that good a teacher he could teach himself how to play."

Q. How high was that ceiling?

ALLEN DOYLE: It was about a seven foot.
 
"If a guy can't beat you, don't take a lesson from him because if he was that good a teacher he could teach himself how to play."

I hate that quote. "Can't beat me/can't teach me." Uggggh!! (envisioning socking someone in the nooooosssseeeee) You should be able to play well enough if you can teach well enough.........but as it's been said before.......if the statement was true Tiger would be exempt from getting lessons from anyone so long as he's #1 in the world.

Anyhoo........there used to be a clip of him around the net a while back. Link isn't working at the moment.

Best I could find:

doyleswing022407-200x155.jpg


2001 seemed to be his best year.....at age 53:
http://www.pgatour.com/players/00/72/67/stats/2001.html

Some vids in here:
http://www.pgatour.com/players/00/72/67/index.html

Funny looking swing tee hee hee.
 
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"If a guy can't beat you, don't take a lesson from him because if he was that good a teacher he could teach himself how to play."

I hate that quote. "Can't beat me/can't teach me." Uggggh!! (envisioning socking someone in the nooooosssseeeee) You should be able to play well enough if you can teach well enough.........but as it's been said before.......if the statement was true Tiger would be exempt from getting lessons from anyone so long as he's #1 in the world.

Anyhoo........there used to be a clip of him around the net a while back. Link isn't working at the moment.

Best I could find:

doyleswing022407-200x155.jpg


I don't like that quote either. Most coaches couldn't beat their superstar players. That wasn't really the point I was trying to make though. I was really just interested in his swing and how it might apply to amateurs.
 
I prefer the statement: if they can't demonstrate it to me, then they can't teach it to me. Save Penick and old pro's that have been attack by old age.

A short swing isn't bad, but don't copy his pattern. Try to learn the basic elements of a good swing and build upon that knowledge.
 
It really is amazing to see the "unique" swings of the "more experienced" generation, like Doyle, Dan Quigley, Thorpe, Palmer, Trevino versus the cookie cutter swings of today (not all of them are, I know). They all could/can play though.
 
My first encounter with Doyle...

I was the pro at a course that hostedthe Bob Hope in '96. I was standing on the range and I knew who Doyle was. I loved the fact he got his card late into his 40's. I think that my have been his rookie year....some rookie.

We had a nice selection of target greens on that range and I saw him from DTL and thought he was aiming at one green, then he swung!

He was hitting the ball about 30 or 40 degrees right of where his body lines were going.... I was pretty young then and hadn't seen much of that with the exception of Freddy on some days and, of course, Trevino.

I will tell you, he doesn't have much speed for a large guy, but he hits it better than most. Just goes to show you what educated hands can produce.

I don't buy all the crap about his "hockey" either. I played hockey all my life and to a fairly high level and my golf swing is pretty darn orthodox.
 
i saw him play recently at the champions event in newport beach calif....and he was awesome! what impressed me the most was his balance thru impact..and his "dynamics" which is incredible lag...
 
I was the pro at a course that hostedthe Bob Hope in '96. I was standing on the range and I knew who Doyle was. I loved the fact he got his card late into his 40's. I think that my have been his rookie year....some rookie.

We had a nice selection of target greens on that range and I saw him from DTL and thought he was aiming at one green, then he swung!

He was hitting the ball about 30 or 40 degrees right of where his body lines were going.... I was pretty young then and hadn't seen much of that with the exception of Freddy on some days and, of course, Trevino.

I will tell you, he doesn't have much speed for a large guy, but he hits it better than most. Just goes to show you what educated hands can produce.

I don't buy all the crap about his "hockey" either. I played hockey all my life and to a fairly high level and my golf swing is pretty darn orthodox.

I think most of the "hockey swing" stuff being thrown around is a product of media, but not Doyle himself. Even in that story, his reference to hockey seemed to be more of an explanation of why he just hit balls in the basement, the real "reason" for his short swing.
 
I don't buy all the crap about his "hockey" either. I played hockey all my life and to a fairly high level and my golf swing is pretty darn orthodox.

Ya ur right. A slapshot ain't that different.......esp. in geometry. And shoot.....even look at Brett Hull eh. He's about scratch I think.
 
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