Another Manzella Original Concept...tilt vs open

[Brian Manzella]

Long ago on a rainy December day in New Orleans, I was in search of more answers on the golf swing.

So...I went to the David Art Supply store near City Park in New Orleans, and purchased one of those GIJoe looking art figures.

I found out many things, and will do a presentation on some of these one day, but here is one to CHEW ON:

The relationship between how OPEN you need to be to EASILY (Hint: Key word) draw a straight plane line, IN RELATION TO how much axis tilt you have.

Trust me, there is a RELATIONSHIP, and, it a'int in ANY book.

 

[birdie_man]

Can you explain this relationship?

 

[vandal]

More tilt = less open.
Less open = more tilt?

 

[revert]

I would say the exact opposite.

More tilt = less open.
Less open = more tilt?

 

[Garth]

I would say the exact opposite.

So would I. If you're sitting in an office chair that swivels, put your feet on the floor and tilt to your right.... What happened to the chair and your hips?

 

[Burner]

So would I. If you're sitting in an office chair that swivels, put your feet on the floor and tilt to your right.... What happened to the chair and your hips?

Zip, zero, nadda, zilch!

 

[vandal]

So, more open, less tilt?

 

[EdZ]

Sounds like Dante to a "T", how original.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Dante said what?

I have the book in front of me, Mr. Ed.

I don't see anything about the ratio of open hips & shoulders to axis tilt, only that he (correctly) likes 'em both.

 

[Bigwill]

It seems to me that the more open you are, the more axis tilt you need to keep your shoulder from going over-plane. I think. Maybe.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Almost degree for degree, tilt to open shoulders.

 

[vandal]

So it's not a versus relationship, which would imply an inverse relationship.

 

[Biffer]

The axis tilt and body alignment can vary from less open with shorter clubs to more open with the driver.

 

[tongzilla]

Almost degree for degree, tilt to open shoulders.

Isn't it just natural to open your shoulders when you tilt. You have do something pretty weired for that not to happen, i.e. go seriously under plane.

 

[Brian Manzella]

No Tong, it isn't easy, but it is right!

 

[mcflog]

I can't find the article, but I remember where they had the measurements of the different pros with hips so many degrees open and this degree of this and that, but I think it was about 30 degrees of side bending (axis tilt??) so if they have 30 degrees of tilt we are saying 30 degrees open with the shoulders or am I backwards here??

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Isn't it just natural to open your shoulders when you tilt. You have do something pretty weired for that not to happen, i.e. go seriously under plane.

No, you just need more tilt for the extra delay.

 

[mitchdoc]

well When we talk about this open relationship to tilt are we talking about at impact or setup?

 

[tongzilla]

well When we talk about this open relationship to tilt are we talking about at impact or setup?

Talking about secondary axis tilt of spine during start of downstroke.

 

[mitchdoc]

Talking about secondary axis tilt of spine during start of downstroke.

IS this a simultaneous or sequential motion