Anti tug move

[lia41985]

The tug. When you rid yourself of it it feels so much better. Say whatttt...?

What I mean is this...

The tug is a destructive force in the golf swing.

The reason why?

Well, the human being, from as best as we can study it, is a close approximation of a machine.

Ok...

So what that means is that within this human model, of a machine, fancy that...there's a lever arm...

And in golf instruction there's this notion of width...

And so what that means is that if you can get started "in line" low, inside, and away enough on your "approach to the ball" you'll have achieved a path and, unless you're doing something crazy with your hands, a face configuration that allows you to hit the ball oh so well...

Straight ball? Well let me just tumble straight down here...

Push draw? Let me get a little more inside and a then little out and voila...

And pull fades, and so on and so forth...

Basically? The three shots, with varying trajectories, let's say 3, high, medium, and low...

That's, what, 9, let's say?

Some may talk about "windows", others speak in reference to a "9 ball drill"...

But basically three shots built around three curvatures...

And then, there's Hogan's 3 right hands...

And that hand does different things, at different times, for different reasons to and through impact...

BUT IT DARE NOT TUG!

Anatomically we can speak of, for the right-handed golfer, palmar flexion, pronation, and ulnar deviation...

The secret in a good swing...

In Hogan's swing?

Don't know. At this point, don't f----n' care.

Anyways, the secret: it's getting your hands to a certain point where they are free...

As birds...

Free-wheeling!

The Tug?

It's a bitch. It keeps you from that zone...

Transition, truly, is a point of no return...

The right or wrong forces can make for good or bad shots...

And I'd be damned if yipping didn't happen for a lot of folks at this point.

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The tug is all sorts of wrong.

What's your rush to the ball? It's not moving. It's just sitting there. Sometimes even on a tee.

As far as a good visual of an anti-tug?

Study Charles's move in the transition in this swing:
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Also Player's:
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[SteveT]

The tug. When you rid yourself of it it feels so much better. Say whatttt...?

What I mean is...is this...

The tug is a destructive force in the golf swing.

The reason why?

Well, the human being, from as best as we can study it, is a close approximation of a machine.

Ok...
..................

Not Ok.... so let's stop here. Yes, the human body is an approximation machine, but it is also endowed with "feeel".. and that's what separates us humans from machines, and it thus allows us to make a good best guess and then swing away!!!

BTW.... Can you tell us when the "tug" is a good thing immediately after reversal... because there may be situations where the "tug" is indispensable... and not a "destructive bitch" as you so frivolously portray it!!!

 

[lia41985]

So frivolously, SteveT! Got me! Guilt as f----n' charged, psycho

 

[SteveT]

So frivolously, SteveT! Got me! Guilt as f----n' charged, psycho

I wouldn't call you a "psycho"... maybe a tad tipsy tonight... .... now answer the question: "When is tug good?!"... and don't be contemptuous in your reply.... otherwise you will expose yerself as just another forum fraud...!!!

 

[lia41985]

Exposed?

Hell yeah!

Got me again, genius!

 

[jbrunk]

Not sure. How do you see the connection?

You can only push the away so far because they are connected to left arm. What happens when you run out of left arm? I am not flexible so this feel doesn't do it for me. I was asking if reverse tumble is a way to accomplish that move or does that happen later in the ds?

 

[leon]

The tug. When you rid yourself of it it feels so much better. Say whatttt...?

What I mean is this...

The tug is a destructive force in the golf swing.

The reason why?

Well, the human being, from as best as we can study it, is a close approximation of a machine.

Ok...

So what that means is that within this human model, of a machine, fancy that...there's a lever arm...

And in golf instruction there's this notion of width...

And so what that means is that if you can get started "in line" low, inside, and away enough on your "approach to the ball" you'll have achieved a path and, unless you're doing something crazy with your hands, a face configuration that allows you to hit the ball oh so well...

Straight ball? Well let me just tumble straight down here...

Push draw? Let me get a little more inside and a then little out and voila...

And pull fades, and so on and so forth...

Basically? The three shots, with varying trajectories, let's say 3, high, medium, and low...

That's, what, 9, let's say?

Some may talk about "windows", others speak in reference to a "9 ball drill"...

But basically three shots built around three curvatures...

And then, there's Hogan's 3 right hands...

And that hand does different things, at different times, for different reasons to and through impact...

BUT IT DARE NOT TUG!

Anatomically we can speak of, for the right-handed golfer, palmar flexion, pronation, and ulnar deviation...

The secret in a good swing...

In Hogan's swing?

Don't know. At this point, don't f----n' care.

Anyways, the secret: it's getting your hands to a certain point where they are free...

As birds...

Free-wheeling!

The Tug?

It's a bitch. It keeps you from that zone...

Transition, truly, is a point of no return...

The right or wrong forces can make for good or bad shots...

And I'd be damned if yipping didn't happen for a lot of folks at this point.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/s50K65PNeBU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

The tug is all sorts of wrong.

What's your rush to the ball? It's not moving. It's just sitting there. Sometimes even on a tee.

As far as a good visual of an anti-tug?

Study Charles's move in the transition in this swing:
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/29CwfJL1ASU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Also Player's:
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I want some of what you're having! Seriously, nice videos though, especially the one of Player - mesmerising

 

[duckjr78]

So I'm watching the above Player video and I see that what appear to be his first move "down" is two moves, a left foot and knee move approximatly at the target, and a hand/grip/coupling point move approximatly away from the target.

I've tried this a few times in the front yard and it "feeels" like a stretching, not tugging. Almost as if the old teaching image of stretching back a bow and arrow didn't apply to the backswing, but instead, the transition. It might be the equal and oppisite reactions needed. The grass was clipped, not gouged, and the release was free-flowing not dragging.

I'll be heading to the range today for a dose of honesty from the golf ball.

 

[spktho]

So I'm watching the above Player video and I see that what appear to be his first move "down" is two moves, a left foot and knee move approximatly at the target, and a hand/grip/coupling point move approximatly away from the target.

I've tried this a few times in the front yard and it "feeels" like a stretching, not tugging. Almost as if the old teaching image of stretching back a bow and arrow didn't apply to the backswing, but instead, the transition. It might be the equal and oppisite reactions needed. The grass was clipped, not gouged, and the release was free-flowing not dragging.

I'll be heading to the range today for a dose of honesty from the golf ball.

Honestly, thinking about two moves that happen so close together will be very tough to do. I would only think about getting the transition move of his hands and club down. The movement of your hands and club away from the target should allow your lower body to counter this motion by shifting accordingly. Especially if you have trained the pivot a lot, the body will still pivot, just in better sequence--feels later than before--and you shouldn't have to think about it.

 

[bcoak]

Down and inside the ball

Not tumble??

 

[spktho]

Not tumble??

The "tumble" refers to the club head/shaft "tumbling" out toward the ball or getting outside the hands or steepening from a laid off position in the downswing. The hands going "down and inside the ball", as Kevin says, is what makes it possible for the club head/shaft to "tumble" out toward the ball. The club head and shaft have to be in the right position(look at Gary Player from the top view "laying off" or setting up the tumble at the transition) in order to get the proper affect.

 

[duckjr78]

So, it worked. Today's range session confirms it.

I found that squaring the clubface no longer requires as strong a grip, so the first part of today's range session was watching balls that were hit well, go low, left, and with a draw. But they were hit well and they were consistent, so I new I was on to something. The next part of the session was trying to find out a way to hit the ball where I thought I was aiming, but without changing where I thought I was swinging. Oh for want of a Trackman.

I finally figured that I should just fix the face (Thank you D Plane and Brian Manzella Golf Forum - The Front Page!). So I start taking my grip with the face open to the target (at least, that is what it looks like until I get used to it). Viola'! High, straight, mostly well hit shots that start on the line I am intending. Sure, some fall left and some fall right after apex, but they are the prettiest things I have ever seen.

At the end of the session, I gave this new swing/setup the acid test. Two shots, off the mat, no tee, with the 18° TaylorMade 300 forged 2iron with X100. High, pure, with a tiny "falling" fade. SOLD!

The only thing that makes me more excited than today is that I will be seeing Brian in the very near future. Golf is about to become very fun for me! Thank you to the entire forum, what a wonderful resource this is.