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[mandrin]

Not true. Brian never thought the club head accelerated through impact.

It is interesting that you never post and now that you do you make a fool of yourself.

Just go through the archives. Brian himself admitted being wrong and gave me credit in various posts.

But as a starter a post by your friend Jim who seems to read the information posted on this forum - some seemingly don't.

This thread is getting off topic and there are 100s of posts on this site where mandrin has debunked the theory of the heavy hit.

If Brian himself can admit that he was wrong that he too believed in this, then everyone else should.

The reality is this:

A clubhead traveling at 100mph with whether that clubhead is:

- accelerating
- decelerating
- being "thrown away"
- whatever else kind of reason you are going to come up with

is going to create the same amount of ball speed. Now the launch conditions might be different and distance might be slightly different due to the launch conditions, but the speed of the ball will be the same.

 

[Tom Bartlett]

It is interesting that you never post and now that you do you make a fool of yourself.

I have posted a few times lately and have been on the live show. You say I NEVER POST and call Me a FOOL (apology accepted). Name calling...that's what they do at Yale?

BTW if I am a FOOL for saying you are wrong than you are also calling Brian a FOOL. When I read him the post he agreed you were wrong.

Interesting, Before I posted I had this conversation with Brian. He was saying you were a good guy and I said that your people skills weren't the best. Thank you for proving my point.

What does the frequency of my posting have to do with anything anyway? If someone makes a false statement about Brian I am going to say something.


Just go through the archives. Brian himself admitted being wrong and gave me credit in various posts.

Brian was arguing the "heavy hit"... Resisting Deceleration, NOT Accelerating which is what you said he believed. (honest mistake). He did in fact admit to being wrong about resisting deceleration.

But as a starter a post by your friend Jim who seems to read the information posted on this forum - some seemingly don't.

I responded to your comment about BRIAN. JIM was not mentioned and I didn't defend any statement you made about him.

If what you REALLY meant was some of Brian's Followers believed that to be true then you would be correct. But, your statement about Brian was False.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Tom is no fool.

Hey Mandrin,

I like you, I think I GET you, so take this as just a gentle prodding.

Tom Bartlett is no worse than in the top 5 smartest people on this forum, 8000 members and counting.

He took lessons—1000's of them—from me before Al Gore invented this internet thing.

He KNOWS I didn't say: "The club speeds up through impact."

Because, well, I didn't.

I said—IGNORANTLY—that the club could hit the ball in a way that the BALL would go faster because the club DECELERATED LESS.

I also, stupidly, said the shaft could make the club speed up before impact.

I was wrong there too.

But, Tom is right, and this time, although just a little, you aren't.

 

[BurnItUp]

Yeah!

 

[mandrin]

Tom,

I dislike manners like yours, just throwing accusations without any substantiation. In my books that is lack of people skills. Moreover, I don’t have the habit laying down when not being treated fair. So you are twisting and hair splitting. I am used to it. No problem. Let’s see what to make of it.

"You say I NEVER POST and call Me a FOOL (apology accepted). Name calling...that's what they do at Yale?"

- There is a difference being a fool and making a fool of oneself. Deliberate twist or ....?

- "Brian was arguing the "heavy hit"... Resisting Deceleration, NOT Accelerating which is what you said he believed. (honest mistake)."

I will try succinctly to explain it to you. Jim understood it perfectly and I am sure that with a bit of effort you will be able to do the same.

-1- “Heavy hit”.............resisting deceleration.

-2- Resisting deceleration requires applying a force.

-3- Force, by definition, causes acceleration.

-4- Hence, resisting deceleration is equivalent to acceleration.

Q.E.D.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Semantics.

I used to say:

Golfer A is making center contact with 100mph clubhead speed, because of the collision, the ball slows the golfer's club down to 80mph, and the ball would go X speed.

And, Golfer B is making center contact with 100mph clubhead speed, but because the golfer was in better position to resist the 20 mph deceleration of the golf ball like Golfer A, the ball only slows the Golfer B's club down to 90mph, and the ball would go X+x speed.

That is what I learned (albeit incorrectly) from my TGM training, and I have NEVER SAID anything else until you—mandrin—smartened me up.

I give you credit all over the country.

Now, if what you are saying is that by SAYING what I said above, that I ACTUALLY was inferring what you say, then, OK. But, I gave the above talk all over the same country long before I knew of you.

So, is everything cool now?

 

[mandrin]

I used to say:

Golfer A is making center contact with 100mph clubhead speed, because of the collision, the ball slows the golfer's club down to 80mph, and the ball would go X speed.

And, Golfer B is making center contact with 100mph clubhead speed, but because the golfer was in better position to resist the 20 mph deceleration of the golf ball like Golfer A, the ball only slows the Golfer B's club down to 90mph, and the ball would go X+x speed.

That is what I learned (albeit incorrectly) from my TGM training, and I have NEVER SAID anything else until you—mandrin—smartened me up.

I give you credit all over the country.

Now, if what you are saying is that by SAYING what I said above, that I ACTUALLY was inferring what you say, then, OK. But, I gave the above talk all over the same country long before I knew of you.

So, is everything cool now?

Brian,

Tom might be the smartest fellow in town, I still like some descent manners. However, I made my point and temperature is dropping to normal.

I must admit that you are an unusual and rare bird, giving credit, etc.. It is refreshing that, in a society where everything is going downhill, some still adhere to basic old fashioned principles.

By the way, before someone else is saying that you never used the image of a ‘statue on a dashboard ‘, would you might confirming.

 

[Brian Manzella]

I said the dashboard thing.

I have a new one that I use lately about a large football player and three others stack on his shoulders, but we'll talk about that another day.

Tom has very good manners, btw, so we'll just have to disagree there.

 

[birdie_man]

If you do not have anything nice to say, then do not say anything at all.

You do not have anything nice to say, so do not say anything.

Seriously, everyone on this forum is mostly into some form of golf masturbation, so let Mandarin have his niche. I have the Ochoa obsession covered, and Birdie has the feminized soy section on lock... Let's not even get on the poster with the initials C.S.
The Hogan fanboys have to be the worst.


WERD

You have nothing nice to say!

...

P.S. - Mandrin is ruthless!



That human whip thing is really cool BTW.....I think it needs to be tried.....we need a small person for the end. (maximum launch)

 

[mandrin]

That human whip thing is really cool BTW.....I think it needs to be tried.....we need a small person for the end. (maximum launch)

birdie_man,

You are getting the hang of it.

 

[mandrin]

Seriously, everyone on this forum is mostly into some form of golf masturbation, so let mandrin have his niche.

I have the Ochoa obsession covered, and Birdie has the feminized soy section on lock...

Let's not even get on the poster with the initials C.S.

The Hogan fanboys have to be the worst.

self-mastery

Some even play golf all the time, greatly neglecting wife, kids and friends.

By snuffing out family life they are therefore a destructive element in society.

Better do a bit of physics, mathematics and even golf and be loved by all around.

 

[self-mastery]

self-mastery

Some even play golf all the time, greatly neglecting wife, kids and friends.

By snuffing out family life they are therefore a destructive element in society.

Better do a bit of physics, mathematics and even golf and be loved by all around.

Indeed!

It is definitely best to be obsessive about everything you do!!! Relationships, career, exercise, golf, Lorena Ochoa, and Adriana Lima.

 

[Deadly_Scope]

Brian,

Tom might be the smartest fellow in town, I still like some descent manners. However, I made my point and temperature is dropping to normal.

I must admit that you are an unusual and rare bird, giving credit, etc.. It is refreshing that, in a society where everything is going downhill, some still adhere to basic old fashioned principles.

By the way, before someone else is saying that you never used the image of a ‘statue on a dashboard ‘, would you might confirming.

Knowledge is understanding what to do

Wisdom is knowing how to do it

There is always a place for both and whilst one cannot exist without the other - golf is a practical game requiring practical mechanics.

I do find your posts interesting however because of the nature of your research and the manner you conduct it - is sometimes so far off being of practical nature that your findings have little or no practical usage other than a curiousity. Im not dissing that as beleive me - I perfectly understand that as I am somewhat oriented into the minuta of the golf stroke. But you must realise that Tom Bartlett has a very good stroke pattern and anyone who has put in that time to become a proficient ball striker like he has and has a different set of skills and will always is in a better position to talk on that practical level. He will also have some good knowledgable points also.

 

[mandrin]

I do find your posts interesting however because of the nature of your research and the manner you conduct it - is sometimes so far off being of practical nature that your findings have little or no practical usage other than a curiousity.

How more practical can one get using children playing a game to illustrate the principle of snapping the kinetic chain? Hope you understood and enjoyed it.

But you must realise that Tom Bartlett has a very good stroke pattern and anyone who has put in that time to become a proficient ball striker like he has and has a different set of skills and will always is in a better position to talk on that practical level. He will also have some good knowledgable points also.

I have in no way put in doubt Tom’s skill level as a golfer. So what is the point of above?


P.S. - Compliments I receive them usually via PM’s. The more negative reactions invariably are posted. Rather curious but quite interesting. It seems that having a liking for science related to golf is something you better hide away. Human nature is and likely will forever remain an intricate web of fascinating paradoxes and I love it that way.

 

[Tom Bartlett]

What we have here is a failure to communicate

Mandrin,

What exactly do you Think I said?

You made a comment about my friend Brian that was incorrect and I said so. In doing so, you called me a fool (you look like a fool...you act like a fool...you are a fool, all the same).

And then some kind of way you think that I am defending something that is proven wrong. Where you got that notion, I have no idea.

Your original statement was that Brian used to think that the club accelerated through impact. I still say he didn't think that and so does Brian. WE used to think that Mass mattered and the amount of deceleration would be decreased by more mass "Heavy Hit". Some people on the forum did indeed think the club could be accelerated through impact. Not me, and not Brian

Most people here when talking about Acceleration are using Webster's definition of "speeding up" and I wanted that to be known that Brian thought no such thing.

You then claim I am not decent to you. Again, I made a statement that something you said wasn't true and you started name calling. Who wasn't decent to whom?

 

[Tom Bartlett]

Twilight Zone

A few people have been posting things like...Why don't you two kiss and make up...stop the insanity...can't we all just get along.

I feel like I am in an episode of the twilight zone.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH MANDRIN. He has taught us a great deal on this site.

But I feel like nobody is reading my post. I disagreed with a comment he made ABOUT Brian. I was then attacked. I have explained myself and my disagreement with his comment and still stand by it. Brian himself posted backing me up. What is so difficult?

Mandrin is great, no disagreement. Did disagree with one sentence and got accused of things I didn't say.

 

[mandrin]

Pavlov

Tom,

You last two posts are indeed right on the dot and it is me to be entirely blamed for the over reaction on my part. Hence, I owe you an apology and hope you will accept it.

All I can say is that not too long ago on this forum it was a favorite sport to go for a collective mandrin bashing and many participated with a surprsing enthusiasm.

I frequently have had to cope with ignorance and bad will and probably have since then to fight a Pavlov type of reaction against small negative posts, just purely negative, no substance or arguments.

I sincerely hope this settles the matter but if you still feel darned mad at this mandrin fellow, well do I agree, he definitely deserves no compliments.

 

[Tom Bartlett]

Tom,

You last two posts are indeed right on the dot and it is me to be entirely blamed for the over reaction on my part. Hence, I owe you an apology and hope you will accept it.

All I can say is that not too long ago on this forum it was a favorite sport to go for a collective mandrin bashing and many participated with a surprsing enthusiasm.

I frequently have had to cope with ignorance and bad will and probably have since then to fight a Pavlov type of reaction against small negative posts, just purely negative, no substance or arguments.

I sincerely hope this settles the matter but if you still feel darned mad at this mandrin fellow, well do I agree, he definitely deserves no compliments.

Thank you. I appreciate it. Absolutely I accept. FRIENDS...Keep up the great posts! You are a Big asset to this forum.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Mandrin the Magnificent!

Thank you. I appreciate it. Absolutely I accept. FRIENDS...Keep up the great posts! You are a Big asset to this forum.

Here, here!

 

[Kevin Shields]

I used to say:

Golfer A is making center contact with 100mph clubhead speed, because of the collision, the ball slows the golfer's club down to 80mph, and the ball would go X speed.

And, Golfer B is making center contact with 100mph clubhead speed, but because the golfer was in better position to resist the 20 mph deceleration of the golf ball like Golfer A, the ball only slows the Golfer B's club down to 90mph, and the ball would go X+x speed.

That is what I learned (albeit incorrectly) from my TGM training, and I have NEVER SAID anything else until you—mandrin—smartened me up.

I give you credit all over the country.

Now, if what you are saying is that by SAYING what I said above, that I ACTUALLY was inferring what you say, then, OK. But, I gave the above talk all over the same country long before I knew of you.

So, is everything cool now?

Brian, can this type of move- or an attempt at it- help some players with at least clubface control (ie, trying to stabalize the back of the shaft)?