automatic release and hitter
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If you are using pivot controled hands, automatic release is 'the' way to go IMO. Heavy club, less accumulator overlap. More mass, less speed.
the release of a hitter is 'more' automatic (by nature) than that of a swinger, because there is more accumulator overlap. More speed, less consistent mass (harder to time, aiming point more critical).
the release of a hitter is 'more' automatic (by nature) than that of a swinger, because there is more accumulator overlap. More speed, less consistent mass (harder to time, aiming point more critical).
The paradox for me with the swing stroke- I Swing the driver and long irons- is that the left arm is a noodle and the right arm is inert.
Something has to smack mash the ball.
And it is the trust in the laws of physics to allow the clubhead to constantly seek its inline path in the orbit of the swing, when as Lynn says, “Spin Spin Spin” that right shoulder like a gyro and throw out the clubhead (on the incline plane).
The left arm is a noodle- the all important rhythm of the stroke and the right arm is inert- but folds and opens applying the power accumulators via pressure points.
While Swingers release accumulators one at a time. Hitters release them all at once. Accumulators #1,2,3 dump on the ball at the same time. I would say although any release type works on either stroke, I would think a non-automatic works best with hitting. See: 6-N-0-2.
oztrainee
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According to some pivot man was saying, if you are letting the pivot to do the job, everything should happen automatically? How reliable is that?
I just cannot figure out how that can be done as
Elbow thrusting - OK, we can say that the centrifugal force will drag the arm away from your body.
So What about
Elbow bending on the right arm on the back swing?
Could someone let me know, the word "educated hands" are including what?
Would that be just Aiming point?
I just cannot figure out how that can be done as
Elbow thrusting - OK, we can say that the centrifugal force will drag the arm away from your body.
So What about
Elbow bending on the right arm on the back swing?
Could someone let me know, the word "educated hands" are including what?
Would that be just Aiming point?
???
Educated hands are many things. Pressure points, flying wedges, it trains the pivot. It holds the club, it is the godfather of TGM- its spiritual guide. Nothing has the authority to do anything without the hands approval.
The bending right elbow during the take-away applies extensor action to the left arm and cocks the left wrist.
The right shoulder drives the left arm off the chest not centrifugal force. Centrifugal force unleashes power accumulators #2 and #3 - not the left arm. The left arm is accumulator #4- the rhythm of the pivot. CF works with the endless belt effect to produce “wicked fast” club speed.
The pivot does the all the work but assigns no tasks. Nothing is automatic unless you are a True Swinger relying on the laws of physics, like centrifugal force, to release the clubhead. Only the hands can assign tasks and train pivots.
I hope some of these clears up old notions but frankly, your posts baffle me.
Educated hands are many things. Pressure points, flying wedges, it trains the pivot. It holds the club, it is the godfather of TGM- its spiritual guide. Nothing has the authority to do anything without the hands approval.
The bending right elbow during the take-away applies extensor action to the left arm and cocks the left wrist.
The right shoulder drives the left arm off the chest not centrifugal force. Centrifugal force unleashes power accumulators #2 and #3 - not the left arm. The left arm is accumulator #4- the rhythm of the pivot. CF works with the endless belt effect to produce “wicked fast” club speed.
The pivot does the all the work but assigns no tasks. Nothing is automatic unless you are a True Swinger relying on the laws of physics, like centrifugal force, to release the clubhead. Only the hands can assign tasks and train pivots.
I hope some of these clears up old notions but frankly, your posts baffle me.
oztrainee
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This is a very good answer, as no one can play golf without the hands. I always believe the body react to the hands in order to carryout a balance vehicle. Just like when we are thinking of chopping a tree with an axe, our mind is instructing the arm and hands to trigger the motion. But the body move and add power to the motion. When we walk, our body move before the leg, but people thought that the leg moves first.
In golf swing, our wrist, hand as well as the club head weight, affect the overall body balance. I had asked a few TGM expert the following question.
Is the dog wag the tail or the tail wag the dog?
Is hands controlled pivot or pivot controlled hands.
Thanks
In golf swing, our wrist, hand as well as the club head weight, affect the overall body balance. I had asked a few TGM expert the following question.
Is the dog wag the tail or the tail wag the dog?
Is hands controlled pivot or pivot controlled hands.
Thanks
Leadbetter uses the wag the tail analogy all the time- I never got tit. The dog wags the tail- the hands control the pivot. All the time.
The hands control, guide, trained, instruct and rely on the pivot . The pivot is a well-mannered and unobtrusive laborer while the hands are the intellectual, high profile boss.
Homer built TGM with geometry taking precedence over physics. The circle - Geometry over the rotation- Physics. That’s the Hands control of the Pivot.
Homer’s geometry of lines and planes because it is a golf swing, is always in motion and non-positional. It is alignments of Motion, not stationary positions.
Homers’s physics of rotation is Action- the whirl of the pivot doing the work of the Motion of the Hands.
Let the Hands train the pivot then forget about the pivot. Educate and re-educate the hands. The pivot will know what to do- it will get a memo.
Brian Manzella
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Wow....
It is REALLY this easy in the real world:
Hitters use a nom-auto release, Swingers an auto.
The golfer's who NEED to get the body going early, get the body going early.
Yikes!
It is REALLY this easy in the real world:
Hitters use a nom-auto release, Swingers an auto.
The golfer's who NEED to get the body going early, get the body going early.
Yikes!
Jim Kobylinski
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As a great man once said to me...
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oztrainee
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6bee1dee,
Love your answer, as I think we are thinking on the same channel. Just a quick on on your
Leadbetter uses the wag the tail analogy all the time- I never got tit. The dog wags the tail- the hands control the pivot. All the time.
The Dog wag the tail = I presume you are saying "Pivot controlled hands", I think you had swap the word accidentally?
Anyway, in Brian's Confession of a flipper, While Brain was doing the chipping, he said..
"You can even use your pivot to chip." If I got the interpretation correctly, what Brian was saying is that, for shorter chip, most people do it like a putt. (Obviously we can putt with pivot, as mentioned in the TGM). But most people focus on the arm swing for less power requirement motion, as long as the club lag pressure is there.
Is there any true automatic release at all? We just cannot swing the club effectively without commanding our hands.
Now you are back Brain, please educate me rather then the hands.
Cheers
Love your answer, as I think we are thinking on the same channel. Just a quick on on your
Leadbetter uses the wag the tail analogy all the time- I never got tit. The dog wags the tail- the hands control the pivot. All the time.
The Dog wag the tail = I presume you are saying "Pivot controlled hands", I think you had swap the word accidentally?
Anyway, in Brian's Confession of a flipper, While Brain was doing the chipping, he said..
"You can even use your pivot to chip." If I got the interpretation correctly, what Brian was saying is that, for shorter chip, most people do it like a putt. (Obviously we can putt with pivot, as mentioned in the TGM). But most people focus on the arm swing for less power requirement motion, as long as the club lag pressure is there.
Is there any true automatic release at all? We just cannot swing the club effectively without commanding our hands.
Now you are back Brain, please educate me rather then the hands.
Cheers
No- I NEVER say pivot control the hands. The hands control the pivot.
I chip with my pressure points in my hands. I have a pivot- it moves the hands. High thrust & low speed.
Maybe I just fail to understand what you ask and fail to understand your reply. Good Luck.
And Brian sorry for the effort- I should have been better at transferring my words into the real world on my keyboard.
I chip with my pressure points in my hands. I have a pivot- it moves the hands. High thrust & low speed.
Maybe I just fail to understand what you ask and fail to understand your reply. Good Luck.
And Brian sorry for the effort- I should have been better at transferring my words into the real world on my keyboard.
oztrainee
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quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee
Leadbetter uses the wag the tail analogy all the time- I never got tit. The dog wags the tail- the hands control the pivot. All the time.
The hands control, guide, trained, instruct and rely on the pivot . The pivot is a well-mannered and unobtrusive laborer while the hands are the intellectual, high profile boss.
Homer built TGM with geometry taking precedence over physics. The circle - Geometry over the rotation- Physics. That’s the Hands control of the Pivot.
Homer’s geometry of lines and planes because it is a golf swing, is always in motion and non-positional. It is alignments of Motion, not stationary positions.
Homers’s physics of rotation is Action- the whirl of the pivot doing the work of the Motion of the Hands.
Let the Hands train the pivot then forget about the pivot. Educate and re-educate the hands. The pivot will know what to do- it will get a memo.
Totally understanding what you are saying, the only sentense that I am not sure your meaning are highlighted above.
Cheers
Hitters using 10-2-D can use an auto release. IMO it is far easier to learn hitting from 10-2-D. More anatomically consistent with keeping the angled hinge and thrusting the right forearm. Let's you 'do less' and 'allow' more - which is simple for a swinger (give up control to CF) but tough for a hitter using 10-2-B (enter twist away). 10-2-D lets a hitter go directly up/down the plane of the left wrist cock while keeping the wedges in place and driving PP#1 and the hip motion crossline (which also counters the fade of an angled hinge a bit).
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