Axis tilt help (drills, tips, etc..)

[golfwolf]

What are some good drills, tips, feelings, etc...that can help with Axis tilt(I think that's the term)? What can I do at the top of my backswing that will help lower my hands and club on to the correct plane as I begin my downswing before my overlly active right hand tries to take over and messes everything up?

I'm not proficient in TGM, but I think the general idea behind my question came across.

Thanks.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Axis Tilt

...from the top...

• Left foot moves the hands.

• Left shoulder up, right shoulder toward the ball.

• Tailbone moves and stays closer to target than the neck bone.

• Strecth the left side, feel like the ribs are separating.

• Hit the inside-aft of the ball on the way down while the hips are opening

 

[bts]

What are some good drills, tips, feelings, etc...that can help with Axis tilt(I think that's the term)? What can I do at the top of my backswing that will help lower my hands and club on to the correct plane as I begin my downswing before my overlly active right hand tries to take over and messes everything up?

I'm not proficient in TGM, but I think the general idea behind my question came across.

Thanks.

You need to load it with "lag", of which resistance keeps it on-plane.

 

[golfwolf]

Thanks Brian. Can you elaborate more on what you mean by these two?

 

[kmmcnabb]

This helped me

Don't know if this helps axis tilt but I had much trouble working my right shoulder downplane and tended to roundhouse (especially under stress).

I saw Martin Hall demonstrate how to put your driver across your shoulders (in the front) with the driver head toward the back (handle toward the target). Assume your stance and then make your back turn (with arms holding the driver in place, I cross mine in front of chest).

On the downswing, think of hitting the ball with the head of the driver just using your downplane shoulder turn.

This move will feel different (it did to me) but it gets you to move your right shoulder downplane and as it does you will feel your left hip slide a bit to the left to accomodate this move. If you don't move laterally with your hips (think left hip to the left) then you can't get your shoulder on the right plane which is key to getting on the right downswing plane.

This single drill and change, dramatically improved my ball striking and I use it to warm up on the range and in between shots on the course.

Try it, it will work. You will feel what everyone means by down and under much, much more.

I have used the left shoulder up for about 6 months and it will work but working on your right shoulder down is much more effective.

Don't get me started on twist away (to finally kill that slice forever). It works too.

Good luck.

PS: I recommend Martin Hall's book, Myths (google it). It is great for drills that will help with TGM.

 

[Millrat]

Cool,

Don't know if this helps axis tilt but I had much trouble working my right shoulder downplane and tended to roundhouse (especially under stress).

I saw Martin Hall demonstrate how to put your driver across your shoulders (in the front) with the driver head toward the back (handle toward the target). Assume your stance and then make your back turn (with arms holding the driver in place, I cross mine in front of chest).

On the downswing, think of hitting the ball with the head of the driver just using your downplane shoulder turn.

This move will feel different (it did to me) but it gets you to move your right shoulder downplane and as it does you will feel your left hip slide a bit to the left to accomodate this move. If you don't move laterally with your hips (think left hip to the left) then you can't get your shoulder on the right plane which is key to getting on the right downswing plane.

This single drill and change, dramatically improved my ball striking and I use it to warm up on the range and in between shots on the course.

Try it, it will work. You will feel what everyone means by down and under much, much more.

I have used the left shoulder up for about 6 months and it will work but working on your right shoulder down is much more effective.

Don't get me started on twist away (to finally kill that slice forever). It works too.

Good luck.

PS: I recommend Martin Hall's book, Myths (google it). It is great for drills that will help with TGM.

I like the sound of this drill, I've been fighting the roundhouse since I learned what it was! I've probably been doing it for 15 yrs tho.

CW

 

[solarbear]

1/4 swings... hit ball using pivot only... check finish for flat wrist and that your shoulder has gone down plane... it sort of HAS to go downplane or you won't be hitting much of anything with any sort of pop

after months of mirror drills trying to get the feeling of right shoulder downplane... took me an afternoon of this to get the right shoulder down...

i believe this drill was on Confessions of a Flipper... and i rate it as the best drill for a whole bunch of things...

 

[golfwolf]

I'll give this one a try. Where do you put the clubhead in relation to your right shoulder. Next to it, 6 inches behind your shoulder, 12 inches behind (when I say behind I mean further from the target, but still parallel to your shoulder line).

Don't know if this helps axis tilt but I had much trouble working my right shoulder downplane and tended to roundhouse (especially under stress).

I saw Martin Hall demonstrate how to put your driver across your shoulders (in the front) with the driver head toward the back (handle toward the target). Assume your stance and then make your back turn (with arms holding the driver in place, I cross mine in front of chest).

On the downswing, think of hitting the ball with the head of the driver just using your downplane shoulder turn.

This move will feel different (it did to me) but it gets you to move your right shoulder downplane and as it does you will feel your left hip slide a bit to the left to accomodate this move. If you don't move laterally with your hips (think left hip to the left) then you can't get your shoulder on the right plane which is key to getting on the right downswing plane.

This single drill and change, dramatically improved my ball striking and I use it to warm up on the range and in between shots on the course.

Try it, it will work. You will feel what everyone means by down and under much, much more.

I have used the left shoulder up for about 6 months and it will work but working on your right shoulder down is much more effective.

Don't get me started on twist away (to finally kill that slice forever). It works too.

Good luck.

PS: I recommend Martin Hall's book, Myths (google it). It is great for drills that will help with TGM.

 

[kmmcnabb]

Drill

I put the driver across with the handle even with my left shoulder which leaves the head of the driver sticking out the back about 26 inches on a 44 inch driver. You can vary this but I find that having it stick out in the back and then try to swing it to the ball works best for me.

Take your stance, arms crossed, driver head out back. Backswing until your left shoulder is under your chin, then fire the head of the driver toward the ball.

Give it a try. I promise, it will work.

Good luck.

PS: I also just started using the Power Hitter from Momentus Golf (Father's day gift from my kids). I use that to stretch out and it works great doing this drill.

 

[gumper]

Re: Axis tilt help

Brian,

I love the fact that you list several ways to make the same point. For some reason, "Stretch the left side. Feel like the ribs are separating" really clicked for me. Now we'll see how it goes on the course tomorrow. Sometimes that damn ball causes chaos in my coconut

gumper

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Sure:

1) Watch both of brian's videos on the right shoulder motion
2) Setup with more tilt at address

 

[golfwolf]

Jim - I know of "getting the right shoulder to go downplane." What's the other one?

Sure:

1) Watch both of brian's videos on the right shoulder motion
2) Setup with more tilt at address

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Watch the video on Maximum Trigger Delay...it has some good insight on how to get that right shoulder deep down plane so you can delay the hands a bunch.

 

[c21heel]

I hit my irons well with axis tilt, but the woods are a different story. What would cause me to hit the ball way high using axis tilt?

 

[huestisc]

I put the driver across with the handle even with my left shoulder which leaves the head of the driver sticking out the back about 26 inches on a 44 inch driver. You can vary this but I find that having it stick out in the back and then try to swing it to the ball works best for me.

Take your stance, arms crossed, driver head out back. Backswing until your left shoulder is under your chin, then fire the head of the driver toward the ball.

Give it a try. I promise, it will work.

Good luck.

PS: I also just started using the Power Hitter from Momentus Golf (Father's day gift from my kids). I use that to stretch out and it works great doing this drill.

I tried it yesterday and it worked! I THOUGHT I had enough axis tilt before (I have been working on it for quite a while), but I was hitting lots of fat shots, pulls, etc. I remembered your drill, and after doing it I realized that for me, I had to FEEL like my right shoulder was going straight down, and my left shoulder straight up...no around at all. When I applied this, the fat shots completely disappeared and my ball striking was markedly improved and also much more effortless. I love the imagery of this drill. Thanks, Kevin!

 

[mitchdoc]

This is an awesome thread. TOday was the first day where when I could concetrate on the feeling of leading with left foot and feeling the ribs separate that I got my shoulde rdownplane and hit some really crisp shots. It was not consistent but overall wasa b+ ball striking day for me and fairly straight.

Would love some more derill to ge tthe feel of this move!

 

[bcoak]

Agrre, this thread has some good drills. I am trying to fix a forward/up move in my downswing and the drunk throw doesn't work for me. Have been trying to find ways to get right shoulder down plane and these drills may work. Threads such as these are what makes this place so valuable. Just wish there were more of them of late.

 

[kmmcnabb]

Hue

Glad you liked the drill. I probably owe some money to Martin Hall now. I think that drill is the single best drill to get down plane and it is easy to do. Glad to help.

Thanks for letting me know what you thought. I used this drill on the week end teaching at First Tee here in town and, it worked on the kids too. Only problem now is that they want to come below plane (too flexible).

Good luck.

 

[Millrat]

Tried this drill on the range last night with mixed results. Initially I hit some solid shots but with further work I found I was blocking evreything-like I couldn't release. One thing it did improve was my focus on the shoulder and not allowing it to come off plane, something I've done for probably 15 years!

Funny aside-watched the range pro teaching two older ladies the 'other shaft across the shoulders' drill,

CW

 

[Brian Manzella]

Axis Tilt

Find a tree.

A tall one, you have to REACH! to get over.

Hit balls over it.