Backswing Magic (Forearm), Forward Swing Magic????

[300Drive]

quote:Originally posted by holenone

quote:Originally posted by 300Drive
I think I understand...so, swingers will thrust the right shoulder down to (through) the inside back of the ball, which keeps the club on-plane and delivers the power package through impact "correctly" (i.e., on plane)?

Is there also and simultaneously, an accompanying pull of the left side at all?

The Push of the Right Shoulder accelerates the Swinger's Left Arm and causes it to Pull the Hands and Club (6-B-4-0). The direction of that Pull is toward its source (the Pushing Right Shoulder). Therefore, when you Turn your Right Shoulder Down Plane (toward the Ball), i.e., 10-13-D #3 per 2-H, 2-L and 6-E-2-1, that is the direction taken by your Left Arm and Club -- the Golfer's Flail (2-K).

This Push -- a Thrusting Force -- is much misunderstood, both Mechanically and Kinesthetically. All that is needed to create this steady, driving force or pressure is a positive motion that initiates and sustains the Pull of Centrifugal Force. Its Execution need not -- in fact, should not -- be quick or jerky (3-F-6). And any violent action is not only unnecessary, it is counterproductive (due to its Throwaway tendencies).

Remember, every Pull requires a Push. A horse cannot pull a wagon until he pushes his shoulders against the collar of his harness.

Interesting description and anology.....however, in the case of the horse, its shoulders push "against" something...his harness, which is attached to the wagon, thus the pull occurs..

In your description, what does the right shoulder push against...air? the right should's steady push is towards the ball, but is NOT against something (physically) as is the the case with the horse against something physical..the harness.

The left arm/side has to pull.....it may be "triggered" by the movement of the right shoulder, but, it must pull (I think[^])...

 

[denny.]

quote:Originally posted by Archie Swivel

quote:Originally posted by denny.

Holenone taught Golfing Machine classes in early 80s .
After Homer died (GOD BLESS HIM) Hole none A.K.A. Yoda as I understand could not come to an "understanding" with Sally Kelley. So he took his memories of Homers knowledge (all on audio tapes) and went to the swamps of the financial world.Now thanks to the internet we have him back to interpret the sacred sanscript text.
WE NEED SOMEONE WITH BUCKS TO MAKE A VIDEO /DVD that features Holenone explaining the Book.
ONE OTHER PROBLEM ----------Salley sold the rights to Joe and Dan.

So do Joe and Dan know their stuff like Holen1. Are they AI's? Out of pure curiosity, who would be the top 5 in the world as far as knowing TGM inside and out?

Yes -----Joe knows his G.O.L.F. Dan is a well respected teacher and a nice guy. Holenone is the #1 authority on Homer's work .

 

[denny.]

Others who come to mind;
George Kelnhofer ---------------- Alex Sloan
Chuck Evans ---------------- PPT3
Brian Manzella ---------------- Ben Doyle
Tom Tomesello(deceased)---------- ME Someday
Greg McHatton ----------------- Sorry if I missed anyone

Their are many others on this site

 

[holenone]

quote:Originally posted by 300Drive

quote:Originally posted by holenone

Remember, every Pull requires a Push. A horse cannot pull a wagon until he pushes his shoulders against the collar of his harness.

Interesting description and anology.....however, in the case of the horse, its shoulders push "against" something...his harness, which is attached to the wagon, thus the pull occurs..

In your description, what does the right shoulder push against...air? the right should's steady push is towards the ball, but is NOT against something (physically) as is the the case with the horse against something physical..the harness.

[Bold by Holenone/Yoda.]

The Right Shoulder does not push against 'air.'

It pushes against Lag (6-C-0).

 

[Powerdraw]

quote:The Right Shoulder does not push against 'air.'

It pushes against Lag (6-C-0).

so what i'm hearing yoda is that the right shoulder, per 8-7 is the first move down, the move that creates lag for it is done by a change in direction to feel this lag...correct? so now...then right shoulder placement at top is critical then...so how do i know it is at the right place? i tend to overload structure "slightly" eh randy!

 

[dude]

quote:Originally posted by Powerdraw

Yoda states, "The Right Shoulder does not push against 'air.'

It pushes against Lag (6-C-0)."

quote:

so what i'm hearing yoda is that the right shoulder, per 8-7 is the first move down, the move that creates lag for it is done by a change in direction to feel this lag...correct? so now...then right shoulder placement at top is critical then...so how do i know it is at the right place? i tend to overload structure "slightly" eh randy!

Ok son, first things first. Go into your post and edit the quotation marks. Remove / from the first [/quote]. Ok? OK!

Next step is to take your right shoulder straight back. In your left hand take one of your dowels. Put it at an angle from your right shoulder so it points at the plane line. Thrust the right shoulder down the dowel to the ball. This is the right shoulder thrusting down plane.

Now son/grasshopper, when you can remove this pebble from my hand, you are free to leave.

 

[drewitgolf]

quote:Next step is to take your right shoulder straight back. In your left hand take one of your dowels. Put it at an angle from your right shoulder so it points at the plane line. Thrust the right shoulder down the dowel to the ball. This is the right shoulder thrusting down plane.

Do you think that taller players (swingers) have more difficultly doing this because they have to angle their spine more by bending more from the hips, resulting in balance problems? In other words, to harness our force application through force vectors (2-N-1) creating down-out-forward, the taller golfer's outward force would be more vertical, while still on the turned shoulder plane, than the shorter player. Taller players seem to have more difficulties maitaining their spine angle thru impact to follow through.

 

[300Drive]

quote:Originally posted by holenone

quote:Originally posted by 300Drive

quote:Originally posted by holenone

Remember, every Pull requires a Push. A horse cannot pull a wagon until he pushes his shoulders against the collar of his harness.

Interesting description and anology.....however, in the case of the horse, its shoulders push "against" something...his harness, which is attached to the wagon, thus the pull occurs..

In your description, what does the right shoulder push against...air? the right should's steady push is towards the ball, but is NOT against something (physically) as is the the case with the horse against something physical..the harness.

[Bold by Holenone/Yoda.]

The Right Shoulder does not push against 'air.'

It pushes against Lag (6-C-0).

Push, push, push (tricep or shoulder...hitting vs swinging).....

Is there a PULL of any kind in the golf swing?????

If so, please describe what it is, because all thats been described has been push, push, push....It all still seems like hitting to me.

 

[holenone]

quote:Originally posted by 300Drive

quote:Originally posted by holenone

quote:Originally posted by 300Drive

quote:Originally posted by holenone

Remember, every Pull requires a Push. A horse cannot pull a wagon until he pushes his shoulders against the collar of his harness.

Interesting description and anology.....however, in the case of the horse, its shoulders push "against" something...his harness, which is attached to the wagon, thus the pull occurs..

In your description, what does the right shoulder push against...air? the right should's steady push is towards the ball, but is NOT against something (physically) as is the the case with the horse against something physical..the harness.

[Bold by Holenone/Yoda.]

The Right Shoulder does not push against 'air.'

It pushes against Lag (6-C-0).

Push, push, push (tricep or shoulder...hitting vs swinging).....

Is there a PULL of any kind in the golf swing?????

If so, please describe what it is, because all thats been described has been push, push, push....It all still seems like hitting to me.

The classic Golf Swing and its Rope Handle Technique (2-K) is all about Pulling. In fact, my reply to your original post used the word Pull five times. In that reply I also gave an accurate description of how the Down Plane Pull of Centrifugal Force was generated.

Time to go back and re-read.

 

[300Drive]

quote:Originally posted by holenone

quote:Originally posted by 300Drive

quote:Originally posted by holenone

quote:Originally posted by 300Drive

quote:Originally posted by holenone

Remember, every Pull requires a Push. A horse cannot pull a wagon until he pushes his shoulders against the collar of his harness.

Interesting description and anology.....however, in the case of the horse, its shoulders push "against" something...his harness, which is attached to the wagon, thus the pull occurs..

In your description, what does the right shoulder push against...air? the right should's steady push is towards the ball, but is NOT against something (physically) as is the the case with the horse against something physical..the harness.

[Bold by Holenone/Yoda.]

The Right Shoulder does not push against 'air.'

It pushes against Lag (6-C-0).

Push, push, push (tricep or shoulder...hitting vs swinging).....

Is there a PULL of any kind in the golf swing?????

If so, please describe what it is, because all thats been described has been push, push, push....It all still seems like hitting to me.

The classic Golf Swing and its Rope Handle Technique (2-K) is all about Pulling. In fact, my reply to your original post used the word Pull five times. In that reply I also gave an accurate description of how the Down Plane Pull of Centrifugal Force was generated.

Time to go back and re-read.

[B)].......Got it...and Thanks.

 

[mgjordan]

300,
The right shoulder can only push whether you are hitting or swinging.

 

[300Drive]

quote:Originally posted by mgjordan

300,
The right shoulder can only push whether you are hitting or swinging.

This I know....thanks, I was really inquiring about the left side..

 

[DDL]

quote:Originally posted by holenone

quote:Originally posted by 300Drive
I think I understand...so, swingers will thrust the right shoulder down to (through) the inside back of the ball, which keeps the club on-plane and delivers the power package through impact "correctly" (i.e., on plane)?

Is there also and simultaneously, an accompanying pull of the left side at all?

The Push of the Right Shoulder accelerates the Swinger's Left Arm and causes it to Pull the Hands and Club (6-B-4-0). The direction of that Pull is toward its source (the Pushing Right Shoulder).

I think I finally understand the right shoulder thrust of the swinger if I interpreted the above correctly. So if I am doing the right shoulder thrust downplane correctly, my hands should feel like they are being drawn or pulled towards the right shoulder? That is the feeling of cranking up the gyroscope i assume.Too bad Yoda left