Matt Bryda
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ekennedy,
I was writing it like I was in a lesson situation, not directing it to you.
I was writing it like I was in a lesson situation, not directing it to you.
Below Plane Syndrome - Question
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I think i had underplane issues. What helped me was the headcover 3/4 foot behind ball drill (when i was using tees, i was losing them all over the place) and also looking at the mirror to make sure my takeaway does not pop out laying it off and also not sucking it inside. What felt straight back to me, actually in the mirror, i was sucking it inside. Eventually i realised when i felt i was taking it outside (away from my body diagnonally), it was pretty much straight back in the mirror.
Now i'm enjoying my golf at least.
Now i'm enjoying my golf at least.
Lay it off on the transition and you won't be underplane,assuming you can learn that move.Is there one tour pro who is laid off on the transition that has underplane issues?It's usually the across the line at the top,steepish club on the transition and then the late shallow move type of swing that suffer underplane issues.
Has anyone ever found a correlation between alignment and underplane in some players? It seems the more a player aims left of their target, the more likely they are at dropping the club underplane and swinging right (or swiping low left.) The more a player aims right of their target, the more likely they would be to carry the club and swing steeper and more to the left.
Obviously, there are exceptions.
A player's on-course tendencies (like alignment and ball position) may lead to misses they might not see in a typical practice or warm-up session before a round.
Thoughts?
Obviously, there are exceptions.
A player's on-course tendencies (like alignment and ball position) may lead to misses they might not see in a typical practice or warm-up session before a round.
Thoughts?
johnnymarlboro
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I've definitely experienced this before many times on course. I always chalked it up to not trusting the swing i was trying to make. Aiming left to hit a cut and my body says "No, no, no. You didn't really mean to aim that far left, what if you pull it?" Then I end up hitting it right of right. The range I practice at is like 200 yards wide, and I practice much more then I play because of time and money. I think with that much wide open space the penalty of such a bad miss doesn't really sink in till I'm on a tight course rifling through my bag for more balls.
Virtuoso
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Excellent post. Even if you are setting your targets precisely on the range, when you miss your "simulated target", you feel a different flavor of disappointment--annoyance on the range, anger in a casual round and horror in a tournament. And, just the difference in those emotional responses motivates different basic physical movements, as well as different compensating movements. A really facinating subject.
I'm not talking sports psychology soley; I'm thinking more in terms of the cross-over of your individual technique and its UNIQUE failure modes as you introduce more and more stress.
Virtuoso,
Picture the 18th tee at Sawgrass for example. Easy to shift your aim away from the water, which as we all know, has some pretty detrimental affects on your swing as well as your psyche.
David Toms' drive on the 72nd hole, a bleeder fade off the railroad ties, tells me everything I need to know about that guys confidence.
Picture the 18th tee at Sawgrass for example. Easy to shift your aim away from the water, which as we all know, has some pretty detrimental affects on your swing as well as your psyche.
David Toms' drive on the 72nd hole, a bleeder fade off the railroad ties, tells me everything I need to know about that guys confidence.
Virtuoso
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Agreed, that swing took nuts the size of watermellons. Solid technique, solid mind. But, it would be interesting to contrast that swing with the one he made on 16.
Sorry, if I've taken this thread off topic.
There are some players who can whirly bird it from across the line to laid off before coming down but very rare.Much more likely they will transition a little steep before shallowing out late.
I think he should have laid up on 16. I know he made an uncharacteristically poor swing, but it is always a matter of how best to play the hole. I played Sawgrass about 10 years ago as a college player. What I noticed about 16 was that it is an improbable up and down from left of the green (that should be apparent if you have ever watched the tournament) Also the difficulty of the 17th hole is exaggerated, the green is frikkin' huge (OK...3 putting is likely) but hit the green is not a tall order (OK...under pressure with swirling winds...maybe) In a way 18 plays a lot like 16. The easisest thing in the world not to do on that hole is hit it in the water off the tee. However, par is slim if you bail out right. Anything left on 16...dead. Anything right on 16...deader. Short...money. Would I have laid up? Hell no! From 220 and change I'm firing it at the pin! Of course, I would most likely hit it in the little pot bunker left (I have in fact) and make a nervous 5 (which I did) Easy to second guess I know, but that is what armchair commentating is all about! I love The Tank, but I thought it was David's turn.
oldpro
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Nuthin' like internet forum players always better than a touring pro...my guess is you would have passed out at address if you substituted for Toms to hit that shot.
Virtuoso
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Oldpro, it's very likely you missed the "playful tone" of his post.
I would have passed out after I had thrown up in my left golf shoe! Do you think Chip Beck should have laid up on the 15th at Augusta in 1993? One of the things the internet forum players can do is critique decision that our golfing heroes make like the wedge Hogan hit on the 17th at Cherry Hills in 1960, or the way Phil played the last hole in '06. Is that not my perogative as a fan? I never challenge their shotmaking ability or technique etc. but I think you can question the occassional tactic. Van Develde? Seriously?
If the truth be known I am a big Tom's fan and really wanted him to win. I would rather blame occassional poor shot selection than accuse that beautiful swing of poor execution!
If the truth be known I am a big Tom's fan and really wanted him to win. I would rather blame occassional poor shot selection than accuse that beautiful swing of poor execution!
adamscot89
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I see this a lot with BPS, I think in part it is a chicken and egg argument for better players because they know they need to swing further left and will begin to fudge their setup further left to get into the "left" swing mindset.
But also a player who sets up open or left, especially with their shoulders is severly restricting their ability to turn their shoulders left in the downswing. Your shoulders are already open at the top of your backswing and instead of matching your turn and tilt, you just begin to tilt and drop the club underplane.
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