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Alford's answer to every question is Hogan! 
I wish more people would discuss Hogan's Power Golf era swing.
I wish more people would discuss Hogan's Power Golf era swing.
Ben Hogan vs. Byron Nelson
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David Alford
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Care to define "double shifting"? You mean a plane shift? I guess it's defined in TGM.
To answer the question, Hogan's primary engine was his lower body in the classic and also modern move.
He goes from a slightly flexed lower body to considerable lateral drive to the left hip spinning left with the left leg straightening or nearly so.
That is the same engine Nicklaus, TW, and probably 90% of all pros use.
And if you focus on just the legs and hips, the similarities are evident.
Now compare Nelson's lower body action and it is not the same. It is not the model for the "modern golf swing".
As I said, the theory Nelson is "the father of the modern golf swing" is false.
That said, I will admit the formerly No.1 teacher in the world, David Leadbetter tries to emulate it a little in his own swing...
To answer the question, Hogan's primary engine was his lower body in the classic and also modern move.
He goes from a slightly flexed lower body to considerable lateral drive to the left hip spinning left with the left leg straightening or nearly so.
That is the same engine Nicklaus, TW, and probably 90% of all pros use.
And if you focus on just the legs and hips, the similarities are evident.
Now compare Nelson's lower body action and it is not the same. It is not the model for the "modern golf swing".
As I said, the theory Nelson is "the father of the modern golf swing" is false.
That said, I will admit the formerly No.1 teacher in the world, David Leadbetter tries to emulate it a little in his own swing...
David Alford
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<Alford's answer to every question is Hogan!>
Well, in regard to this topic, if most pros today were using Nelson's lower body action, then the answer would be Nelson this and Nelson that and Mr. Nelson could rightfully be called the "father of the modern golf swing".
And there are reasons why Snead and other pros don't deserve the honor, as well. E.g., Snead squatted and pulled. Most pros today don't.
OTOH, there were other players before Hogan that got it right. But Benjamin Hogan had the wins and the ball striking, and the level of perfection that today is still unequaled (although TW is close). He, and he alone really deserves the honor.
I don't kiss arse, so it would be no biggie to me if it was someone else, but it just so happens Hogan did it best early on. It's very likely Hogan and I would have gotten in an argument rather than an autograph session, if you catch my drift.
Contrarily, Hogan reportedly liked guys who could care less about his "reputation". At any rate, I give credit where credit is due. And so, only by default only I've become a "Hogan fan".
Not to say, there aren't other valid ways to power a golf ball. Brian say's he's got 5 main models, and damn if that isn't about what I came up with (depending on how you split things it can be more).
Hogan worked on his...and then very late in his life he discovered a second one that pleased him.
Well, in regard to this topic, if most pros today were using Nelson's lower body action, then the answer would be Nelson this and Nelson that and Mr. Nelson could rightfully be called the "father of the modern golf swing".
And there are reasons why Snead and other pros don't deserve the honor, as well. E.g., Snead squatted and pulled. Most pros today don't.
OTOH, there were other players before Hogan that got it right. But Benjamin Hogan had the wins and the ball striking, and the level of perfection that today is still unequaled (although TW is close). He, and he alone really deserves the honor.
I don't kiss arse, so it would be no biggie to me if it was someone else, but it just so happens Hogan did it best early on. It's very likely Hogan and I would have gotten in an argument rather than an autograph session, if you catch my drift.
Contrarily, Hogan reportedly liked guys who could care less about his "reputation". At any rate, I give credit where credit is due. And so, only by default only I've become a "Hogan fan".
Not to say, there aren't other valid ways to power a golf ball. Brian say's he's got 5 main models, and damn if that isn't about what I came up with (depending on how you split things it can be more).
Hogan worked on his...and then very late in his life he discovered a second one that pleased him.
tongzilla
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Although I’m not clear on the details of your models (because of your persistence to keep them unpublished
), I think Brian's classification differs markedly from yours, especially regarding emphasis on what the golf club itself does.
tongzilla
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Basically...shift to a steeper plane from address to the top, and vice versa from the top to impact.
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Tong,
Love the Schaeffer quote
Love the Schaeffer quote
David Alford
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<Basically...shift to a steeper plane from address to the top, and vice versa from the top to impact.>
OK, I'll start calling it that; it's certainly an almost universal swing shift. Virtually all golfers double shift their plane(s); (depending on what you define as "plane"), including Moe Norman.
In this forum I once stated Moe didn't and then someone replied showing pics and angles. By hard standards, OK he does double shift, but most would agree relative to other models, he doesn't.
Amongst other things, it depends on swing length and type of shot. At any rate, both Hogan and Nelson "double shifted". Yes, even late Hogan.
Regarding swing models, they can be grouped/defined/characterized by any number of attributes. It's the authors job to "make his case" in his own taxonomy.
Most golf books just assume one swing model, so it's a subject they don't get into.
OK, I'll start calling it that; it's certainly an almost universal swing shift. Virtually all golfers double shift their plane(s); (depending on what you define as "plane"), including Moe Norman.
In this forum I once stated Moe didn't and then someone replied showing pics and angles. By hard standards, OK he does double shift, but most would agree relative to other models, he doesn't.
Amongst other things, it depends on swing length and type of shot. At any rate, both Hogan and Nelson "double shifted". Yes, even late Hogan.
Regarding swing models, they can be grouped/defined/characterized by any number of attributes. It's the authors job to "make his case" in his own taxonomy.
Most golf books just assume one swing model, so it's a subject they don't get into.
aaron_lohan
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"He finished in the Top 10 in 241 of those 292 events"
This is absolutely awesome, it must be better, considering his less than illustrious start to his tour career, than Tiger, definately better than Nicklaus.
Does anyone know the percentage of majors won compared to those played, hogan only played 1 British Open and didnt play the USPGA for 10 years
This is absolutely awesome, it must be better, considering his less than illustrious start to his tour career, than Tiger, definately better than Nicklaus.
Does anyone know the percentage of majors won compared to those played, hogan only played 1 British Open and didnt play the USPGA for 10 years
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