Ben Hogan vs. Tiger Woods....

[Dariusz J.]

I wonder what you all would do if you have to bet 1.000 $ for a one round match between Hogan and Woods - both in their prime, the same equipment and course conditions objectively choosen for both eras. I presume that 90% of you would not risk to bet this sum for Woods' win despite you are so loud on the Forum.
I would put this 1.000 $ for Hogan without hesitation - and it would not be any risk from my part since I am totally convinced that Hogan would win easily. I wouldn't bet this sum for Nicklaus or Palmer, though.

Before you almost all bite me down, remember that everyone has right to express his opinion

BTW, although I think there were better golfers than Woods is I admit that rating Woods at 1+ in a 10 points scale is plain ridiculous.

Cheers

 

[spider]

I wonder what you all would do if you have to bet 1.000 $ for a one round match between Hogan and Woods - both in their prime, the same equipment and course conditions objectively choosen for both eras. I presume that 90% of you would not risk to bet this sum for Woods' win despite you are so loud on the Forum.
I would put this 1.000 $ for Hogan without hesitation - and it would not be any risk from my part since I am totally convinced that Hogan would win easily. I wouldn't bet this sum for Nicklaus or Palmer, though.

Before you almost all bite me down, remember that everyone has right to express his opinion

BTW, although I think there were better golfers than Woods is I admit that rating Woods at 1+ in a 10 points scale is plain ridiculous.

Cheers

I am not a Tiger fan over Hogan by any means but... I would bet $1.00 or $1,000 on Tiger against Hogan or anyone. I think it would come down to putting and IMHO hard to bet against Tiger's clutch putting.

 

[tourdeep]

I am not a Tiger fan over Hogan by any means but... I would bet $1.00 or $1,000 on Tiger against Hogan or anyone. I think it would come down to putting and IMHO hard to bet against Tiger's clutch putting.

anything's possible on any given sunday!!!!,,,just ask Mikey...!!!

 

[self-mastery]

Tiger whips hogan everyday of the week. People love to build Hogan up to be more than he ever was.

 

[David Alford]

<Tiger whips hogan everyday of the week. People love to build Hogan up to be more than he ever was.>

Well Mike Weir recently demonstrated hows a Hoganeque performance plays out against #1...of course, that was just one event...still, quite interesting.

 

[borisinpa]

<Tiger whips hogan everyday of the week. People love to build Hogan up to be more than he ever was.>

Well Mike Weir recently demonstrated hows a Hoganeque performance plays out against #1...of course, that was just one event...still, quite interesting.

Oh please. Tiger didn't give rat's azz if he won or lost that match.

 

[Dariusz J.]

Oh please. Tiger didn't give rat's azz if he won or lost that match.

Sorry, but such arguments are pretty lame in each kind of sport.
Weir was simply better than Woods this day, period.

Cheers

 

[chrisfx811]

I wonder what you all would do if you have to bet 1.000 $ for a one round match between Hogan and Woods - both in their prime, the same equipment and course conditions objectively choosen for both eras. I presume that 90% of you would not risk to bet this sum for Woods' win despite you are so loud on the Forum.
I would put this 1.000 $ for Hogan without hesitation - and it would not be any risk from my part since I am totally convinced that Hogan would win easily. I wouldn't bet this sum for Nicklaus or Palmer, though.

Before you almost all bite me down, remember that everyone has right to express his opinion

BTW, although I think there were better golfers than Woods is I admit that rating Woods at 1+ in a 10 points scale is plain ridiculous.

Cheers

How can you attempt to 'call out' Tiger fans on a fantasy land match?
Are we to be impressed in your belief in Hogan, because you would bet this sum 'without hesitation'? It's make believe, there's no way to back it up.

 

[jeffy]

Take a look at Hogan's record in the late '40's: after he discovered the "secret" in 1946 and before the accident in 1949: it just may be the best stretch ever. At that time, Hogan was known as "the" clutch putter on tour. If the match was played with 1948 equipment, it is Hogan hands down, IMO. With 2007 equipment, I think it is a toss-up.

 

[chrisfx811]

If the match was played with 1948 equipment, it is Hogan hands down, IMO. With 2007 equipment, I think it is a toss-up.

In fantasy land, are we going to take Tiger back to age 2 and have him learn the game with the 1940's era equipment as well?

Do you think Hogan would love playing with today's 460cc, 45", 65g shafted drivers?

 

[jeffy]

In fantasy land, are we going to take Tiger back to age 2 and have him learn the game with the 1940's era equipment as well?

That would even things out...

Do you think Hogan would love playing with today's 460cc, 45", 65g shafted drivers?

He'd murder the ball with it, though I don't know that he'd use a 65g shaft or prefer something else.

 

[jbrunk]

It is silly to assume that Tiger doesn't care about certain matches considering his competitive nature.

Tiger's putting would be the difference IMO.

 

[2mongoose]

These fantasy threads are pretty pointless, but I digress.......

Play 100 matches with whatever equipment, whatever time at whatever course and I'll take Tiger. You can have whoever you'd like and Tiger is the favorite.

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A better question is who do you take in a competition atmosphere: Tiger hitting all shots or "Specialists" hitting what they do best i.e. Lauren Roberts putting, Seve chipping, etc.

 

[HIGHBALLGURU]

Tiger Woods comparison with other post World War II golfers

Tiger Woods comparison with other post World War II golfers without Ben Hogan:

http://publishing.kyneton.net.au/golf/tiger.htm

As you can see that TW records is above all, but he also a good student of golf, He learned from Snead, Hogan etc either directly or indirectly. All his previous teachers are Hoganeiss Butch and Hank, Hogan is my hero, simply because he produce the basis of modern golf teaching method, swing plane, shaft plane, etc. It is the most copied by golf teachers all over the world, a golden book "5 lessons" was ahead of time and that still help us a lot. Even Tiger Woods silently learn from Hogan, especially after Butch era. Even He claimed "he wanted to have a signature swing like Moe Norman", I am sure it is not Moe, it is Hogan swing.

It is unfair to compare a player from one era to another era, because Hogan never learn from TW but not vice versa.

 

[chrisfx811]

He'd murder the ball with it, though I don't know that he'd use a 65g shaft or prefer something else.

More so, than a physically gifted, lifelong student of the game who has access to every head/shaft/ball combo one could ask for? Not to mention all the techno wizardry to monitor his swing if he so chooses.
Maybe ol' Ben wouldn't like the modern golf ball and it's lack of spin? Maybe he wouldn't care for the lack of 'feel' in today's drivers and woods?

Maybe we should just ask EA to implement a greatest players ever option to TW '09, and everyone can play out the matches in virtual reality, since that is what is being done here?

 

[self-mastery]

Well Mike Weir recently demonstrated hows a Hoganeque performance plays out against #1...of course, that was just one event...still, quite interesting.

This is Weir's greatest accomplishment since luckboxing his Master's win.

Anyone has a chance at a dream performance in golf.

1.) Snead
1.2) Woods

 

[mgranato]

Since we're in fantasy land....

How 'bout they play when they're both age 18. How 'bout age 20, age 25, or age 30. Would Hogan have won any yet? Tiger discovered THE "secret" in his teens - PUTTING! As long as the game is "get it in the hole first", you have to give the edge to probably the best pressure putter ever.

If winning is what matters (not fairways and greens), then it's not a fair fight. Tiger is after ALL the "w" records, and they're all in plain sight at just barely in his 30's. I thing it took Hogan 9 years to get his first win and 15 to get his first major - it's staggering to consider what Tiger has accomplished in just 10. Tiger got his "Hogan Slam" in his mid 20's. It's possible that we haven't even seen Tiger's prime yet....

Regardless, compare them as they stand now, and I'll go with the guy who's won more big tournaments and will most likely DOUBLE the other guys majors.

 

[jeffy]

Since we're in fantasy land....

How 'bout they play when they're both age 18. How 'bout age 20, age 25, or age 30. Would Hogan have won any yet?

How about a different hypothetical: would we have ever heard of Tiger Woods if, like Hogan, he watched his own father commit suicide at age nine?

 

[Chris Sturgess]

Or how much better or worse would Hogan have been if no suicide happened?

 

[jeffy]

Or how much better or worse would Hogan have been if no suicide happened?

Not sure he could have been any better. But, if he hadn't needed to caddie to help support his family, there's no reason to think he'd have wound up as a professional golfer.