Ben Hogan's Clubs

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Something that has been bouncing around in my mind for a while now. Ben Hogan's clubs were apparently:

1) Flat lies

2) Open faces (even more so with the driver)

3) Large grips with heavy reminder

Has anyone recreated his clubspecs and tried hitting them? Did his swing combined with the club design make a zero path, zero face possible? Was the custom design of his clubs part of why he became such a great ballstriker? Would it benefit anyone else to have similar club designs (I think specifically of the open faces...)?

Just curious.
 
Here's what Tom Wishon stated once:

I did get to meet and spend a decent amount of time that day with Gene Sheeley, who for decades was Mr. Hogan's personal clubmaker at the Hogan factory. Gene had a separate workshop from the rest of the factory that was sort of like the "sanctum sanctorum" and I was told that few got to venture into this workshop. So that was cool. Part of that time included being able to look at, check out and measure things on Mr. Hogan's personal playing sets that he had used over the years.

One of the things that was very interesting was that Hogan always played X flex steel shafts, tipped 2" additional for every club. Gene explained to me that he had originally done this back when he fought a hook so badly before he found his "swing secret" that the books and magazines since then have written so much about.

As he got rid of the hook and became the best ball striker on the planet, Gene said he remained with the 2" tip X shafts because he had developed the sense of feel to where he absolutely hated any shaft that he could feel bend during the swing, and especially when he released the club to impact. Even in 1987, when I think Mr Hogan was in his mid 70s and did not play very much anymore, the few times he headed out to Shady Oaks to hit balls, he still preferred hitting these X tipped 2" shafts in his clubs.

So the point is - we develop fitting parameters for shaft fitting but when a player has a very specific feel preference for the shaft, the textbook fitting techniques can get tossed out the window!

It's been more than 20 yrs so my recollection of the small details is not that good. Among the things I do remember. . .

I was shocked to see how sharp the leading edge was on his irons, especially his wedges. Any other player would hit 80% of his shots "fat", with this type of leading edge grind. they were also ground very flat both from face to back as well as from heel to toe.

I did not notice that the sole angles were "scoop" which is what they would have to be if they "sat 5 deg open".

The clubs were all quite flat in lie, also the woods bored that way. And when I say woods I mean wooden woods in his bag in 1987.

Face angles of the woods were closed, my guess at least 2* shut from what I recall. Gene said despite his old propensity to hook the ball badly, this was because of Hogan's "new swing move" .

And the clubs were HEAVY, I rememeber - both in total weight and in swingweight.

TOM

My current belief with Hogan is that he fought the snap hook and created clubs to stop it before he discovered 'the secret.'

The flat lies thing I don't really think was something he did to stop the hook. He was about 5'6" tall, had a flat downswing plane and probably realized that he couldn't hit shots flush with more standard lie angles. I actually play with clubs that are 5* flat and I'm 6'4" tall.

I think one of the big things for him was he played with ultra stiff shafts. X100's tipped 2" is like hitting a metal telephone pole. I think he couldn't stop the snap hook even with those irons, but when he finally discovered 'the secret', he had developed such a great pivot action and such strong hands from all of those years hitting those ultra extra stiff iron shafts.

I practice a lot with a Hogan Apex PC 2-iron that has an Apex 4 shaft. This shaft is ultra stiff, probably about an X300 or so. Usually good shots for me with it still wind up going low and a slightly push fade. But about a few times a range session, I'll really connect with one that will be caught flush and start off low and raise like a rocket and go dead straight at the target. I think my 2-iron practice has helped me with the other clubs which have S300 shafts.

I think if you have some spare money, go get some vintage blades off of ebay for about $50 or so. Then try to get some shafts in them that are ultra stiff and practice with them a bit. I think if you have a decent idea of what the swing is about, you'll start to learn that you really need to use your pivot to hit those irons.






3JACK
 
Currently playing X100s...and yeah...i can snap hook em. If you don't use your pivot, you won't stress the shaft enough to cause it to whip, and making a divot is ridiculously difficult because the club never catches up.

Funny thing is.. my divots tend to be toe down (but that may be due to my excessive in-out path).
 
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