ben hogans fundamentals book

[Ricky1990]

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I know alot about my golf swing and I know what habbits I fall into.


Do you really know, or just think you do. If you do know how did that come about? Got yourself on film and got enough analytical knowledge to see and then fix your issues? That, for one so young, Ricky, would be unusual.


Yes I am unusual, why? because I dont find it fun going to cinema, going out to pubs and partys getting drunk and stuff I never do that. I find enough great friends through golf who are also working towards there dream in golf, If I had a choice of going out to the cinema with friends or watching European Tour Golf on TV! GOLF ALL DAY LONG no doubt! I enjoy studying about golf, I enjoy working towards my dream. I enjoy beating balls day after day on the range! I have looked at my swing on video alot of times, I know every single habbit i fall into! Ill name them if you like but i wouldent want to bore you. What I dont know as well as top instructors do, is how to FIX those habbits! And thats what I am learning!

And yes, I probably dont have as many issues in my swing as I think I do. But I am a perfectionist and every player I know who has got too the top, were/are perfectionists!

 

[mrodock]

Perfectionism certainly helps, but Leadbetter would tell Faldo his camera ran out of batteries. I assume this helped him in the long run. There is a time to work toward perfection, and a time to trust. In a given year a couple of important changes might be the way to go as an example. The hall of fame is filled with guys that don't look like Hogan if we can assume for a second that he is the golfing model of perfection.

Matt

 

[Burner]

Quote:
I know alot about my golf swing and I know what habbits I fall into.


Do you really know, or just think you do. If you do know how did that come about? Got yourself on film and got enough analytical knowledge to see and then fix your issues? That, for one so young, Ricky, would be unusual.


Yes I am unusual, why? because I dont find it fun going to cinema, going out to pubs and partys getting drunk and stuff I never do that. I find enough great friends through golf who are also working towards there dream in golf, If I had a choice of going out to the cinema with friends or watching European Tour Golf on TV! GOLF ALL DAY LONG no doubt! I enjoy studying about golf, I enjoy working towards my dream. I enjoy beating balls day after day on the range! I have looked at my swing on video alot of times, I know every single habbit i fall into! Ill name them if you like but i wouldent want to bore you. What I dont know as well as top instructors do, is how to FIX those habbits! And thats what I am learning!

And yes, I probably dont have as many issues in my swing as I think I do. But I am a perfectionist and every player I know who has got too the top, were/are perfectionists!

Good on you Son, you've got balls at least. However, you still need help.

Face it, at 15 you know nothing. I was the same at your age, we all were. We were immortal. Experience teaches us otherwise.

Being a perfectionist is NOT enough - I am one also. But, I need help and I do not have a fraction of your latent ability, yet I do empathise with your feelings regarding getting the right kind of instruction.

You only see what you want to see. Others take a much more objective view, so let them into your golfing world and see what they can do for you. You might well be surprised.

Still trying to help.

 

[Ricky1990]

Ok cheers,

Ill try my hardest to take everyones advice in :-s!

 

[tourdeep]

Hi Ricky!

Congrats on finding a wonderful site! I think you've seen that there are a bunch of neat personalities sharing a ton of wonderful information and willing to contribute a bunch more to aid you in your pursuit of the perfect golf swing. It is a lifelong journey full of ups and downs. Hopefully, along the way some of your wildest dreams will come true!

Over time, your swing will change, it will evolve as your body (and mind) changes, and the time commitment necessary to maintain the swing will change as well. This is nothing that you don't already know.

Overall, I think the swing you have is solid. To tweak it may require the expertise of another, maybe financial considerations affect your choices, but there are tour players who've never gone thru formal training, although they are in the minority. So, this may be a great substitute right here at Brian's pitstop.

When I discovered this site, I too, went thru (still do here and there) the tinkering stage, trying all different combinations. I also knew my game would suffer because of it, accepted it as frustrating as it may be, but with optimistic hope in the long run the changes will unfold in a very positive fashion. At some point tho, a decision to commit to a program will have to be made. Time frames for mastering a program differs from golfer to golfer. A fortunate few can grasp change immediately while the masses are forced to pour in the sweat and tearful frustrations of hopefully getting it, making it natural, and taking it to the course for that big payoff. Tiger Woods, arguably the greatest player of all time, a very bright individual, took years to implement his new swing. It appears to be paying dividends now. We'll see.

Hang in there!

And Ricky, don't lose that number!

 

[carolgalleyz]

Ricky,
I probably have read more golf instruction books than anybody on this forum. Some authors have sent me chapters of their books in advance of being published.
Ben Hogan's book was one of the first I read. It's a great book to look at but it may be something that you may want to come back to, several times, as your golf knowledge progresses. Keep it on your shelf. It's cheap, too, so throw it away if you want; you can but it again, later. I've bought it dozens of times for friends, and a few times for myself.

In addition, was it you that said you didn't like to go to the pub with your friends? And you would rather watch golf on TV all day? I'm probably a lot like you. I had a 2.9 handicap the summer I finished high school (and I finished school two years early). I've gone on to work in a career not related to golf. Golf is great, and these forums are more informative than the books you can buy at WH Smith or Books Etc. But in general, golfers who are infatuated only with golf have boring personalities. I've sat in the pub with pro golfers after corporate outings. When the topic turns away from golf, these guys have the deer-in-headlights look. It's only when they develop interests outside of golf that they start developing their brains and personality.

 

[David Alford]

Being a perfectionist is NOT enough - I am one also. But, I need help and I do not have a fraction of your latent ability, yet ...

Argue for your limitations and you will win. I wish all here who think they are so limited talent wise, to get a grip. Have you ever hit a near perfect golf shot?
Well, if you can do it once, probably by accident, you have all the talent to hit lot's of 'em with a better swing.

 

[Burner]

Argue for your limitations and you will win. I wish all here who think they are so limited talent wise, to get a grip. Have you ever hit a near perfect golf shot?
Well, if you can do it once, probably by accident, you have all the talent to hit lot's of 'em with a better swing.

The words I used were.......

I do not have a fraction of your latent ability

Talent is not the issue but the guy in question is 15 years old and has a lifetime in front of him in which to develop his "latent abilities".

My point is that I am 63 and beset by the same difficulties but with a lifetime behind me, so the realising of my latent abilities is somewhat limited by time and diminishing capabilities - not perceived lack of talent.

At 15 you are immortal, have no fear or awareness of the existence of boundaries. At 63 you know different, whether you yield to it or not.

 

[Spike]

Potential

Ricky,

Become the best putter you can be. Become the best short game artist there has ever been. Become the best bunker player in the world. And develop the greatest sense of humor the world will ever know!!!

Because, "....nowhere does man go so naked as when he is dressed for a game of golf."

Love and Peace Kiddo,
spike

 

[David Alford]

The words I used were.......


Talent is not the issue but the guy in question is 15 years old and has a lifetime in front of him in which to develop his "latent abilities".

My point is that I am 63 and beset by the same difficulties but with a lifetime behind me, so the realising of my latent abilities is somewhat limited by time and diminishing capabilities - not perceived lack of talent.

At 15 you are immortal, have no fear or awareness of the existence of boundaries. At 63 you know different, whether you yield to it or not.

Well, I'm 57 and if I met Tiger Woods instead of asking for an autograph, I'd want to challenge him to see who could hit a straighter shot. Really!

I guess it's just why one horse wants to race and the other wants to rest.
But even when I would hit a shank or have a blow up round after hitting millions of golf balls, I never once, not even for 5 seconds blamed talent or lack of it. I simply, at the time, had erroneous information and viewed the disaster as just another opportunity to learn.

& if I wasn't strong or in shape, I would change myself. That's my advice to you or anyone. Ultimately, yes, there are boundaries, but not on my horizon, pal.

 

[rundmc]

Well, I'm 57 and if I met Tiger Woods instead of asking for an autograph, I'd want to challenge him to see who could hit a straighter shot. Really!

I guess it's just why one horse wants to race and the other wants to rest.
But even when I would hit a shank or have a blow up round after hitting millions of golf balls, I never once, not even for 5 seconds blamed talent or lack of it. I simply, at the time, had erroneous information and viewed the disaster as just another opportunity to learn.

& if I wasn't strong or in shape, I would change myself. That's my advice to you or anyone. Ultimately, yes, there are boundaries, but not on my horizon, pal.

I LIKE IT . . .

 

[birdie_man]

In addition, was it you that said you didn't like to go to the pub with your friends? And you would rather watch golf on TV all day? I'm probably a lot like you. I had a 2.9 handicap the summer I finished high school (and I finished school two years early). I've gone on to work in a career not related to golf. Golf is great, and these forums are more informative than the books you can buy at WH Smith or Books Etc. But in general, golfers who are infatuated only with golf have boring personalities. I've sat in the pub with pro golfers after corporate outings. When the topic turns away from golf, these guys have the deer-in-headlights look. It's only when they develop interests outside of golf that they start developing their brains and personality.

Good post Carol.

I'm pretty obsessed....on here every day.....back yard looks like a driving range (divots!).....but I like other things too.

I agree....you don't want to just be a golf nerd.

A lot of guys prolly use it as an escape too. (i.e. a Moe Norman type-deal)

That plus the desire to improve....+ desire (or obsession) for perfection.

 

[Burner]

Well, I'm 57 and if I met Tiger Woods instead of asking for an autograph, I'd want to challenge him to see who could hit a straighter shot. Really!

I guess it's just why one horse wants to race and the other wants to rest.
But even when I would hit a shank or have a blow up round after hitting millions of golf balls, I never once, not even for 5 seconds blamed talent or lack of it. I simply, at the time, had erroneous information and viewed the disaster as just another opportunity to learn.

& if I wasn't strong or in shape, I would change myself. That's my advice to you or anyone. Ultimately, yes, there are boundaries, but not on my horizon, pal.

You appear to be a little selective in your reading, slow to comprehend or just downright contentious.

I will say it again, but slowly this time.

The kid has talent. I have talent.

Neither of us, as far as I am aware, has alluded to a lack of talent as being responsible for our deficiencies or injurous to our mutual desire to improve.

The kid has time, unlimited by comparison to me (and you), over which to realise his latent ability.

He will not work harder than me to improve. He is, however, in a position where he can work on fully realising his talent for longer than I before his natural physical capabilities, as mine (like your's) already have, whether I (or you) like it or not, begin to wane.

Now, I don't see that as any indication of whatever it is that you are trying to label me with. It is simply being realistic.

 

[birdie_man]

Have you ever hit a near perfect golf shot?
Well, if you can do it once, probably by accident, you have all the talent to hit lot's of 'em with a better swing.

David....I really like that....

 

[David Alford]

You appear to be a little selective in your reading, slow to comprehend or just downright contentious.

I will say it again, but slowly this time.

The kid has talent. I have talent.

Neither of us, as far as I am aware, has alluded to a lack of talent as being responsible for our deficiencies or injurous to our mutual desire to improve.

The kid has time, unlimited by comparison to me (and you), over which to realise his latent ability.

He will not work harder than me to improve. He is, however, in a position where he can work on fully realising his talent for longer than I before his natural physical capabilities, as mine (like your's) already have, whether I (or you) like it or not, begin to wane.

Now, I don't see that as any indication of whatever it is that you are trying to label me with. It is simply being realistic.

Sometimes it's hard to infer what someone really thinks from the words they type. When you said you had "a fraction of the talent" or talk about the waning of physical abilities, a positive person naturally infers that as negative thinking.

A corollary is the pros and exceptional ball strikers have extraordinary talent or strength that we mortals don't.

I personally believe Moe Norman was a very ordinary guy, physically and talent wise. I'd rate Hogan a bit higher, but keep in mind even when he was in his 70's and probably couldn't do 3 chinups he still had a great swing.

Further, coordination decreases with age...so at this time, he was probably only average in that department.

Logically, his ball striking ability in his later years points to the premiere importance of technique.

Consequently, when things go wrong on the range or the course, I don't even give talent or age any consideration whatsoever. Sure, it's harder for me to hit 300 yd. drives, but I keep in mind, the greatest golfer of all time, Jack Nicklaus, isn't hitting very many of them either.

 

[David Alford]

David....I really like that....

THANKS. COURAGE!

 

[rundmc]

Good post Carol.

I'm pretty obsessed....on here every day.....back yard looks like a driving range (divots!).....but I like other things too.

I agree....you don't want to just be a golf nerd.

A lot of guys prolly use it as an escape too. (i.e. a Moe Norman type-deal)

That plus the desire to improve....+ desire (or obsession) for perfection.

you forgot to tell her about your "RASH." Is it clearing up?

 

[birdie_man]

Which one?

 

[Ricky1990]

Lately I havent been playing golf as much as I use to. I got a new dirt bike for my birthday 100cc honda and I play golf 3 -4 times a week and I go on my dirt bike 2 times a week.

When I have spaces inbetween each day of golf and do something else I really start to look forward to playing golf instead of thinking Oh here we go, another day of practice!

 

[mrodock]

Lately I havent been playing golf as much as I use to. I got a new dirt bike for my birthday 100cc honda and I play golf 3 -4 times a week and I go on my dirt bike 2 times a week.

When I have spaces inbetween each day of golf and do something else I really start to look forward to playing golf instead of thinking Oh here we go, another day of practice!

Yeah man, you don't want to dread it. As soon as golf feels like a job it will likely put a screaching halt to progress.