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yeah - "Feed what they need" and let them self-discover along the way

The Art of the teaching lark as opposed to the science!:)

I think that is the hardest part of teaching and what seperates great teachers from teachers with great information - the world class teachers I have watched teach don't say a hell of a lot, except for Ben, if you can hear him:) but I noticed he doesn't say as much to the "Elk"
 

Brian Manzella

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Well the point is this:

If you do too much, you can't teach as much.

No interviews, lectures, video, demonstration beyond what is necessary, just the basic idea of the motion.

This allows ME to teach them.
 
I would teach them the basics of putting:

1. What a "square stance" is (body parallel to the target instead of pointing at the target)

2. Left Side connection (for righties).

3. Arced stroke and how that applies to the full swing.

From there I would just inform them that this all goes into the full swing eventually and that it will take some patience to properly learn to take a full swing. Then the next lesson will be explaining the flat left wrist in the putting stroke and if he grasps the concept of the putting stroke, I'll move onto chipping.




YAKUZA
 
I would teach them the basics of putting:

1. What a "square stance" is (body parallel to the target instead of pointing at the target)

2. Left Side connection (for righties).

3. Arced stroke and how that applies to the full swing.

From there I would just inform them that this all goes into the full swing eventually and that it will take some patience to properly learn to take a full swing. Then the next lesson will be explaining the flat left wrist in the putting stroke and if he grasps the concept of the putting stroke, I'll move onto chipping.




YAKUZA

I don't mean to offend, but I think you would lose a lot of students doing this. Who wants to learn to play by just putting first? Sure, if you're the dad of a 3 year old you could restrict them from the rest, but what about a 12 year old? They would lose interest, and fast.

I think, and I believe Brian does too, that you have to figure out a way to get them to swing correctly right away. Why limit them?
 

Kevin Shields

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Ya know, not to offend but i kinda agree. I wouldnt be back for the second lesson. I let people come to me with putting issues. In my experience new golfers want to learn to hit it, not putt. However, they find out quickly how tough it is:p
 
Ya know, not to offend but i kinda agree. I wouldnt be back for the second lesson. I let people come to me with putting issues. In my experience new golfers want to learn to hit it, not putt. However, they find out quickly how tough it is:p

I believe that in any walk of life, when we are teaching somebody something we teach them the easy and simple things first, then when they have a pretty decent grasp of that, we move onto more complex and difficult subjects. Then when they grasp that concept, we move onto more and more difficult subjects.

Except for golf.

For some reason in golf we tend to do it backwards. We tend to want to learn the complex and difficult things first (full swing, especially with the driver) and then neglect or leave the simple and easy things for last.

To me, it's absolutely moronic to do it this way. It's like trying to learn chaotic mathematical equations without knowing how to add and subtract first.

And remember, the OP said *3 things* you can teach them. So I'm pretty limited IMO. I've actually spent an hour with my neighbor, a 15 handicapper who is 55 years old, and he grasped the putting concepts quite quickly and we spent the last half hour working on his chipping.

This is the way that the old school teachers like Harvey Penick *used* to teach. And as Brian mentioned in CoFF, his first lesson with Mr. Doyle consisted of Brian having to "give a chipping lesson" to Mr. Doyle because Mr. Doyle had to basically re-instruct Brian's method of chipping. And it's no coincidence that Bobby Clampett's 'Impact Zone' book talks about learning the game in this method.

Remember now, I only have 3 things to really instruct this person on. They don't really know much about the grip, the path of the club, etc. And I truly believe two things:

1) If you cannot get the chipping motion and stroke down pretty well, there's no way you will get the full swing down pretty well.

2) If you learn the chipping motion and stroke pretty well, it makes the transition into the pitching motion then the full swing motion more seamless and easier for the golfer.

With more experienced golfers like my neighbor, I just wanted to see their putting strokes first. My neighbor had a badly bent left wrist at impact, so there's no way that he's going to properly learn the full swing, IMO, unless he comprehends the very basic motion of putting first.




3JACK
 

Kevin Shields

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Like I said, didnt mean to offend. Ideally, this could be very effective but most dont want to learn this way. I thought the three things would limit you to full swing and they could go backwards to putting on their own. If you could only tell them three things and you stopped at chipping, thats a whole lot for them to figure out on their own.
 

Brian Manzella

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Manzella Video Answer.

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Thanks Kevin and Brian for the responses. No need to say 'didn't mean to offend' in your posts...I know you're not trying to offend. I'm hear to learn and possibly bounce back ideas and just understand the golf swing and the game of golf better (even understanding teaching better).

It's something that for whatever reason, I really enjoy doing and I learn here something new just about every day. Not to toot my own horn by any means, but I played professionally 10 years ago, played on a D-I college scholarship and have played for roughly 20 years, so I value a forum that I can still learn new things about golf every day.

Anyway, with my neighbor he grasped the putting stroke and concepts pretty quickly so about the last 30 minutes I had him work on the chip shot stroke, but it was really a 'miniaturized version' of the full swing. I really didn't clarify that in my earlier post.

It's also obvious that I have a luxury that people who teach for a living do not. My neighbor is patient and isn't paying me any money and we can just work at it a bit a couple of times per week whereas other golfers may not (or more like probably do not) have the patience for that.

One of the problems I had was my neighbor got a lesson about a month ago and when he told me about the lesson it consisted of him just taking full swings with the driver and pro telling him to cut down his backswing. I just kept my mouth shut because I don't want to step on the pro's shoes, but I couldn't help but feel that not understanding the basic motions of the golf swing would lead to the same inconsistent, unfulfilling golf for my neighbor. Maybe stuff like that works for some people, but it didn't for him and he almost quit the game before he asked me for help.

Again, I appreciate the info and sharing your experiences. Learned a lot.





3JACK
 
Now, I know what some of you are thinking....this is TOO easy, too vague, too non-technical....yup....it is....but so is painting with water colors on canvas.

Anyone who knows, knows the "tech" behind that stuff though eh Brian.

Nothing about path. Interesting. Makes sense for a beginner though...

........setup........clubface.........pivot........
 
The swings the thing...ala Earnest Jones/Dick Farley...just start the club swing back and forth while holding it between the thumb and index finger...let it pick up speed and put your other other hand on the handle when the speed mandates so it doesn't fly away...keep it swinging..bigger and bigger...allow you body to follow when the speed mandates. Melhorn's grass whip action would be next. Hit some shots.
 
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